Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told

There is more to the fossil fuel energy predicament than we usually hear about.

Strangely enough, a big part of the confusion regarding the nature of our energy problem comes from the fact that virtually everyone wants to hear good news, even when the news isn’t very good. We end up seeing information in the Mainstream Media mostly from the perspective of what people want to hear, rather than from the perspective of what the story really is. In this post, I explain why this situation tends to occur. I also explain why our current energy situation is starting to look more and more like an energy shortage situation that could lead to economic collapse.

This post is a write-up of a presentation I gave recently. A PDF of my talk can be found at this link. An mp4 video of my talk can be found at this link: Gail Tverberg’s Nov. 9 presentation–Our Fossil Fuel Energy Predicament.

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Most people attending my talk reported that they had mostly heard about the issue on the right end of Slide 2: the problem of using too much fossil fuel and related climate change.

I think the real issue is the one shown on the left side of Slide 2. This is a physics issue. Without fossil fuels, we would find it necessary to go back to using older renewables, such as oxen or horses for plowing, burned wood and other biomass for heat, and wind-powered sail boats for international transport.

Needless to say, these older renewables are only available in tiny quantities today, if they are available at all. They wouldn’t provide many jobs other than those depending on manual labor, such as subsistence agriculture. Nuclear and modern renewables would not be available because they depend on fossil fuels for their production, maintenance and long distance transmission lines.

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On Slide 4, note that M. King Hubbert was a physicist. This seems to be the academic specialty that finds holes in other people’s wishful thinking.

Another thing to note is Hubbert’s willingness to speculate about the future of nuclear energy. He seemed to believe that nuclear energy could take over, when other energy fails. Needless to say, this hasn’t happened. Today, nuclear energy comprises only 4% of the world’s total energy supply.

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The transcript of the entire talk by Rear Admiral Hyman Rickover is worth reading. I have excerpted a few sentences from his talk. His talk took place only a year after Hubbert published his research.

Rickover clearly understood the important role that fossil fuels played in the economy. At that early date, it looked as if fossil fuels would become too expensive to extract between 2000 and 2050. A doubling of unit costs for energy may not sound like much, but it is, if a person thinks about how much poor people in poor countries spend on food and other energy products. If the price of these goods rises from 25% of their income to 50% of their income, there is not enough left over for other goods and services.

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Regarding Slide 6, the book The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others provided early computer modeling of how population growth and extraction of resources might play out. The base model seemed to indicate that economic decline would start about now. Various other scenarios were considered, including a doubling of the resources. Without very unrealistic assumptions, the economy always headed downward before 2100.

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Another way of approaching the problem is to analyze historical civilizations that have collapsed. Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov analyzed eight economies that collapsed in their book Secular Cycles. There have been many examples of economies encountering a new source of energy (conquering a new land, or developing a new way of producing more energy), growing for a time, reaching a time where growth is more limited, and finally discovering that the economy that had been built up could no longer be supported by the resources available. Both population and production of goods and services tended to crash.

We can think of the current economy, based on the use of fossil fuels, as likely following a similar path. Coal began to be used in quantity about 200 years ago, in 1820. The economy grew, as oil and natural gas production was added. We seem to have hit a period of “Stagflation,” about 1970, which is 50 years ago. The timing might be right to enter the “Crisis” period, about now.

We don’t know how long such a Crisis Period might last this time. Early economies were very different from today’s economy. They didn’t depend on electricity, international trade or international finance in the same way that today’s world economy does. It is possible (in fact, fairly likely) that the downslope might occur more rapidly this time.

Past Crisis Periods seem to feature a high level of conflict because rising population leads to a situation where there are no longer enough goods and services to go around. According to Turchin and Nefedov, some features of the Crisis Periods included increased wage disparity, collapsing or overturned governments, debt defaults, inadequate tax revenue and epidemics. Economists tell us that there is a physics reason for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer during Crisis Periods; in some sense, the poor get “frozen out” and the wealth rises to the top, like steam.

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Slide 9 is a chart I prepared several years ago, showing the growth in the world production of fuels of various types. What little wind and solar was available at that time was included in the biofuels section at the bottom. Early biofuels consisted largely of wood and charcoal used for heat.

Slide 10

Slide 10 shows average annual increases for 10-year periods corresponding to the periods shown on Slide 9. This chart goes to 2020, so it covers a full 200-year period. Note that the increases in energy consumption shown are especially high in the 1951-1960 and 1961-1970 periods. These periods occurred after World War II when the economy was growing especially rapidly.

Slide 11

Slide 11 is similar to Slide 10, except I divide the bars into two pieces. The bottom, blue part corresponds to the amount that population grew, on average, during this ten-year period. Whatever is left over I have referred to as the amount available to increase the standard of living, shown in red. A person can see that when the overall growth in energy consumption is high, population tends to rise rapidly. With more energy, it is possible to feed and clothe larger families.

Slide 12

Slide 12 is like Slide 11, except that it is an area chart. I have also added some notes regarding what went wrong when energy consumption growth was low or negative. An early dip occurred at the time of the US Civil War. There was a very long, low period later that corresponded to the period of World War I, World War II and the Depression. The collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union occurred in 1991, so it is part of the 10-year period ended 2000. Most recently, we have encountered COVID shutdowns.

The peaks, on the other hand, tended to be good times. The period leading up to 1910 corresponded to the time of early electrification. The period after World War II was a period of growth and rebuilding. Most recently, China and its large coal resources helped pull the world economy forward. China’s coal supply stopped growing about 2013. I have written that we can no longer depend on China’s economy to pull the world economy forward. With recent rolling blackouts in China (mentioned in the next section), this is becoming more evident.

Without enough energy, the current period is beginning to look more and more like the period that included World War I and II and the Great Depression. Strange outcomes can occur when there basically are not enough resources to go around.

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Slide 14 shows recent energy production. A person can see from this slide that wind and solar aren’t really ramping up very much. A major problem is caused by the fact that wind and solar are given the subsidy of “going first” and prices paid to other electricity producers are adjusted downward, to reflect the fact that their electricity is no longer needed by the grid. This approach tends to drive nuclear out of business because wholesale electricity rates tend to fall to very low levels, or become negative, when unneeded wind and solar are added. Nuclear power plants cannot easily shut down. Instead, the low prices tend to drive the nuclear power plants out of business. This is sad, because electricity from nuclear is far more stable, and thus more helpful to the grid, than electricity from wind or solar.

Slide 15

Fossil fuel producers need quite high energy prices for a variety of reasons. One of these reasons is simply because the easiest-to-extract resources were removed first. In recent years, producers have needed to move on to resources with a higher cost of extraction, thus raising their required selling prices. Wages of ordinary citizens haven’t kept up, making it hard for selling prices to rise sufficiently to cover the new higher costs.

Another issue is that fossil fuel energy prices need to cover far more than the cost of drilling the current well. Producers need to start to develop new areas to drill, years in advance of actually getting production from those sites. They need extra funds to work on these new sites.

Also, oil companies, especially, have historically paid high taxes. Besides regular income taxes, oil companies pay state taxes and royalty taxes. These taxes are a way of passing the “surplus energy” that is produced back to the rest of the economy, in the form of taxes. This is exactly the opposite of wind and solar that need subsidies of many kinds, especially the subsidy of “going first,” that drives other electricity providers out of business.

Prices for oil, coal and natural gas have been far lower than producers need, for a long time. The COVID shutdowns in 2020 made the problem worse. Now, with producers quitting at the same time the economy is trying to reopen, it is not surprising that some prices are spiking.

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Most local US papers don’t tell much about world energy prices, but these are increasingly becoming a big problem. Natural gas is expensive to ship and store, so prices vary greatly around the world. US natural gas prices have roughly doubled from a year ago, but this is a far lower increase than many other parts of the world are experiencing. In fact, the bills that most US natural gas residential customers will receive will increase by far less than 100% because at the historic low price, over half of the price for residential service is distribution expenses, and such expenses don’t change very much.

Slide 17

Slide 17 shows another way of looking at data that is similar to that in Slide 14. This slide shows amounts on a per capita basis, with groupings I have chosen. I think of coal and oil as being pretty much the only energy resources that can “stand on their own.” The recent peak year for combined coal and oil, on a per capita basis, was 2008.

Natural gas, nuclear, and hydroelectric were the first add-ons. If a person looks closely, it can be seen that the growth rate of this group has slowed, at least in part because of the pricing problems caused by wind and solar.

The “green” sources at the bottom are growing, but from a very low base. The main reason for their growth is the subsidies they receive. If fossil fuels falter in any major way, it will adversely affect the growth of wind and solar. Already, there are articles about supply chain problems for the big wind turbines. Any cutback in subsidies is also harmful to their production.

Slide 18

US papers don’t tell us much about these problems, but they are getting to be very serious problems in other parts of the world. The countries with the biggest problems are the ones trying to import natural gas or coal. If an exporting country finds its own production falling short, it is likely to make certain that its own citizens are adequately supplied first, before providing exports to others. Thus, importing countries may find very high prices, or supplies simply not available.

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This slide got a lot of laughs. The university does have some sort of agricultural plot, but teaching subsistence farming is not its goal.

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My point about “scientists who are not pressured by the need for research grants or acceptance of written papers are the ones trying to tell the whole truth” got quite a few laughs. As a practical matter, this means that retired scientists tend to be disproportionately involved in trying to discern the truth.

With the military understanding the need to work around energy limits, one change has been to move away from preparation for “hot wars” to more interest in biological weapons, such as viruses. Thus, governments of many countries, including the United States, Canada, France, Italy, Australia and China, have funded research on making viruses more virulent. The vaccine-making industry also supported this effort because it might enhance the industry’s ability to make and sell more vaccines. It was believed that there might even be new techniques that would develop from this new technology that would increase the overall revenue generated by the healthcare industry.

Questions came up, both during the talk and later, about what other changes have taken place because of the need for much of the audience to hear a story with a happily ever after ending, and because of the known likely decline of the economy for physics reasons. Clearly one thing that happens is successful entrepreneurs, such as Elon Musk, aim their production in areas where subsidies will be available. With fossil fuel production not making money, fossil fuel producers are even willing to undertake renewable projects if subsidies seem to be high enough. The issue isn’t really, “What is sustainable?” It is much more, “Where will the profits be, given where subsidies will be, and what people are being taught about how to perceive today’s problems?”

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In fact, what has been happening in recent years is that a great deal of debt has been added to the world economy. Mostly, this added debt seems to be creating added inflation. It definitely is not leading to the rapid extraction of a great deal more fossil fuels, which is what really would allow the production of more goods and services. If inflation leads to higher interest rates, this, by itself, could destabilize the financial system.

Slide 29

I tried to explain, as I have in the past, how a self-organizing economy works. New citizens are born, and old ones pass away. New businesses are formed, and they add new products, keeping in mind what products citizens want and can afford. Governments add laws and taxes, as situations change. Energy is needed at every step in production, so availability of inexpensive energy is important in the operation of the economy, as well. There are equivalences, such as employees tend also to be customers. If the wages of employees are high, they can afford to buy many goods and services; if wages are low, employees will be very restricted in what they can afford.

In some sense, the economy is hollow inside, because the economy will stop manufacturing unneeded products. If an economy starts making cars, for example, it will phase out products associated with transportation using horse and buggy.

Slide 30

A self-organizing economy clearly does not operate in the simple way economists seem to model the economy. Low prices can be just as big a problem as high prices, for example.

Another issue is that the energy needs of an economy seem to depend on its population and how far it has already been built up. For example, roads, bridges, water distribution pipelines and electricity transmission infrastructure must all be maintained, even if the population falls. We know humans need something like 2000 calories a day of food. Economies seem to have a similar constant need for energy, based on both the number of people in the economy and the amount of infrastructure that has been built up. There is no way to cut back very much, without the economy collapsing.

Slide 31

I am not exactly certain when the first discussion of the economy as a dissipative structure (self-organizing system powered by energy) started. When I prepared this slide, I was thinking that perhaps it was in 1996, when Yoshinori Shizoawa wrote a paper called Economy as a Dissipative Structure. However, when I did a search today, I encountered an earlier paper by Robert Ayres, written in 1988, also discussing the economy as a dissipative structure. So, the idea has been around for a very long time. But getting ideas from one part of academia to other parts of academia seems to be a very slow process.

Debt cannot grow indefinitely, either, because there needs to be a way for it to be paid back in a way that produces real goods and services. Without adequate energy supplies, it becomes impossible to produce the goods and services that consumers need.

Slide 32

Attendees asked about earlier posts that might be helpful in understanding our current predicament. This is the list I provided:

Humans Left Sustainability Behind as Hunter Gatherers  – Dec. 2, 2020
How the World’s Energy Problem Has Been Hidden – June 21, 2021
Energy Is the Economy; Shrinkage in Energy Supply Leads to Conflict – Nov. 9, 2020
Why a Great Reset Based on Green Energy Isn’t Possible – July 17, 2020
The “Wind and Solar Will Save Us” Delusion – Jan. 30, 2017

About Gail Tverberg

My name is Gail Tverberg. I am an actuary interested in finite world issues - oil depletion, natural gas depletion, water shortages, and climate change. Oil limits look very different from what most expect, with high prices leading to recession, and low prices leading to financial problems for oil producers and for oil exporting countries. We are really dealing with a physics problem that affects many parts of the economy at once, including wages and the financial system. I try to look at the overall problem.
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5,606 Responses to Our fossil fuel energy predicament, including why the correct story is rarely told

  1. hillcountry says:

    Massive floods hit Catania after entire year’s worth of rain in just 2 days, Italy

    Massive flooding hit Italy’s port city of Catania over the past couple of days after the city received its average yearly rainfall in just about 48 hours. Massive damage was reported across the city, at least 2 people have been killed and one remains missing….

    October 27, 2021

  2. Artleads says:

    In Praise of Luxury

    • Azure Kingfisher says:

      That was interesting. Thanks for sharing. He seemed to drop the ball a bit, though, in terms of explaining how there would be meaningful work opportunities for people in his vision of future capitalism. He also seems to have quite a lot of faith in corporations’ potential to satisfy our higher-level needs (Maslow’s hierarchy), citing Facebook’s facilitating of social interaction and friendship as but one example. He omits the darker side of corporations like Facebook getting into the business of satisfying our higher-level needs; for example, the potential for mass surveillance, privacy violation, and exploitation are likely to prove far too tempting for these companies. Remember, Google started out with the tagline “Don’t be evil.” How have they been getting on with that?

      • artleads says:

        I don’t know the answers AZ. It’s a feel-good presentation, meant to whet our appetite and inspire us. But the devil is in the details. Creativity does figure in his thinking, and I like that. I’ve also long held the opinion that Facebook does operate as he mentions. A long way to go, but pointing in the right direction.

    • Mirror on the wall says:

      My my, Boris and Biden will be pleased at all the new gas. /s

      It looks like The Fates have smiled on RUS/ CCP/ IRN and rained on B/B. It looks like having the ‘correct values’ (sic) does not get any ‘brownie points’ with Providence. I though that Reality itself, the ‘will of reality’ (morality), was supposed to be on the side of the West? Hmm, I can feel my socialised assumptions about Reality crumbling away. /s

      Ibid.

      > A deal finalized last week to develop Iran’s multi-trillion dollar new gas discovery, the Chalous field, will see Russian companies hold the major share in it, followed by Chinese companies, and only then Iranian ones, sources close to the deal exclusively told OilPrice.com.

      …. According to one of the senior Russian officials involved in negotiating the deal: “This is the final act of securing control over the European energy market.”

      …. Consequently, the Chalous find makes Iran the biggest gas reserves holder in the world.

      …. Transneft has also reported to Moscow that Chalous alone could supply up to 52 percent of all of the European Union’s gas needs over the period as well. To gain effective control over these new Iranian gas flows through securing such a stake in Chalous, Russia privately assured Iran that, in addition to development and exploration expertise, and some funding, it will also ‘seek to support Iran’s interests in the matter of the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action] and in other matters at the UN’.

      …. Aside from the enormous geopolitical value for Russia in adding the Chalous gas streams to the current gas supplies over which it has control, especially into the EU, Moscow is looking at an enormous financial payoff from its involvement in this field.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        ‘it will also seek to support Iran’s interests in the matter of the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action] and in other matters at the UN’

        What else is the ‘UN’ for?

        ‘You scratch my back, and I will scratch yours!’

        ‘United’ in seeking self-interest and in moral posturing to the entire world?

    • It is the transport cost of natural gas that tends to make it too expensive. If it can be sent by pipeline to nearby counties, it can work, especially if goods made with coal and oil are available as well.

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        Right – getting the gas all the way to the EU would be problematic, even if they revived the Persian Pipeline. I know there was talk of a pipeline from Iran to Pakistan and on to India, which is a bit nearer, so perhaps they could send some that way.

        “In a report entitled “Comparison of Gas Exports by Pipeline and LNG,” Tehran’s Parliamentary Research Center examined the profitability of long-range natural gas exports; the Center found that gas exports (whether transported via pipeline or in LNG containers) do not present an economically viable option for the country if oil prices remain below $50 per barrel, or if the distance travelled by the pipeline reaches above 3,000 km.

        “The latter condition would most certainly apply to gas exports to Europe, and the future of oil prices remains volatile.”

        https://gulfif.org/will-iran-become-a-gas-exporter-to-europe/

        • Mirror on the wall says:

          Russia already exports gas to China? Would the Caspian be much further away from there? Are the Russian sources closer to China? Anyone?

          • drb says:

            Russia does have connected pipelines, and there is other pipeline infrastructure Central Asia. Currently Russia exports from Northern Siberia to China. Some shorter segments may be needed but most of the pipeline network is there.

        • drb says:

          My guess is that the deal is: Iran hooks onto Russia’s pipeline network, and then it is no longer uneconomical to transport over large distances since the pipes exist. From there Iran can go to China, or Europe. India, not so much. Damn Himalaya, and damn the fact that they can’t avoid fighting with Pakistan.

      • CTG says:

        When it comes to FF transportation, it is important to bear in mind of EROEI at the consumer end and not only at the source of the FF.

        If the energy cost at the consumer end is much higher than what is invested, it makes no sense to extract. However, with the invention of debt, we can do it. We have been doing that since 1970s when conventional oil in USA peaked.

        As what Norm likes to say, “money is a token for future energy use”. We have already spent that money.

        Furthermore, to extract and send to UK, even if it is possible in EROEI terms, it will take years to complete the extraction and transportation.

        We don’t have the time and resources (other resources like steel, etc).

        For Fast Eddie only – it is almost impossible for just a few countries to agree on this type of thing and yet we get unanimous agreement on COVID. CEP !

        As what I state all the time, we are so way past the event horizon that even if Saudi Arabia find a super big super easy to extract (stick-a-straw-in-to-the-ground type of oil) there is no help to our predicament. Think about the political, social, mental (COVID is a mental illness), economic, supply chain, etc issues that energy cannot solve.Think again now very deeply on how this new-found straw-in-the-ground-cheap-energy can solve the debt problem. Not just the macro picture but the details. It is not possible at all. Tomorrow TPTB comes out and says that we have all the oil we need but we have quadrillion of debts but hey 2 days later, we are all going to make those debts disappear because we have the energy now. So, how does it work? It cannot.

        As I have stated close to 10 years ago, the time to introduce new energy was in 1970s when the other energy source (Oil) is getting less. It is no different when whales were getting less and oil was introduced.

        • Fast Eddy says:

          When you run an engine so hard for so long … with diminishing oil… you burn out the piston mechanism… you sear the metal… doesn’t matter how much oil you try to put into that engine once the damage is done… it’s finished

  3. Yoshua says:

    If someone wanted to kill off humanity in a stealthy way by removing one protein (receptor), then removing ACE2 is the optimal option.

    It will lead to a rise in angiotensin ll witch causes inflammation, cell damage, aging and disease.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Parsifaler/status/1460452937466007555

    • Herbie R Ficklestein says:

      Bravo, I salute their ingenious methods of undetectablilty and dastardlness in administrating this Serum to innocent young children! Well done 👍 and at I add if I were you, I myself would not be so vociferous. It’s best to pipe down about it all at this stage.
      You know, hip, hip, harrah and bloody well good. Glad I got the Jab myself, I feel much better now and not have to worry so much. Looking ahead for the boosters and return to a normal way of Life.

    • Xabier says:

      A steady, remorseless, attrition of the majority of the population, – by accelerated senility, cancers, immune system illnesses, heart failure, etc – and the consequent substantial reduction of life expectancy so that there is no ‘pensions black hole’ to fill, would seem to be an obvious and attractive strategy.

      Not to mention the contribution of food shortages, unemployment, heightened stress, disruption, isolation, etc.

      But surely a greatly weakened and reduced mankind would be a self-terminating move?

      Not if the aim is Homo Sapiens 2.0 within 25 or so years ( naturally-evolved mankind consigned to the trashcan or slavery ) and not if the planners are exempt from the dangerous modifications an believe they can put into place a new economic structure.

      There is no reason at all, psychological or material, why they would not try this, given their basic premises and compulsion to power. In fact, from their point of view all the right tools are now in place, so why not use them?

      And they have the comforting belief that if they don’t use them, the next stage will not be reached.

      ‘Every morning I say to myself: ‘Arise, for you have the work of mankind to do!’ Mark Carney.

      • Mirror on the wall says:

        X, are you currently blocked from retiring to Spain b/c you are unvaxed? That must be well annoying.

        Most of our options were scuppered by Brexit and the loss of EU passports, otherwise we could have settled anywhere in the EU. I am still a bit miffed about that.

        Stuck here to the better end!

        • Xabier says:

          Yes, Mirror, most probably.

          The Pyrenees was a good plan, but remaining beauties of England are some compensation, if the un-vaxxed will be permitted to leave their homes at all.

          As Gaston sings in ‘Gigi’: ‘It’s a bore.’

          • Mirror on the wall says:

            40% of British voters now want a second EU referendum on Brexit. I want my EU passport back, so that I have some options in ‘warmer’ climes when I retire. The first thing is to get rid of the TP at next GE, and then to endlessly kick up a fuss about it like UKIP did. If masses of TP voters can vote for Brexit just keep the ‘foreigners’ out (and that hardly worked out with the TP/ CBI in charge) then we are justified in voting just to get our EU passports back? Sounds fair to me.

            Hopefully vaxes and vax passports will blow over – no promises, though.

      • assuming that your comment is not some kind of ironic windup (i desperately want to believe that it is, for the sake of humankind itself)) i read it several times.

        i don’t respond to it from any elevated intellectual level—far from it.

        i respond from the trough of despair of humankind , that anyone with the basic level of intellect that would allow written communication, should use it to write such utter rubbish.

        most who read ofw do not trouble to respond—i don’t, very much.–this reply is intended for them, in the hope that they will exercise their ability to think for themselves.

        your comment defies belief that anyone—anyone—can be part of the conspirathon that some kind of ‘different’ homo sapiens could be in some way developed over the next 25 years, to enable a power crazed ‘elite’ to somehow ‘run the world’.

        how many times must it be said——remove most of humankind, and the ‘human world’ ceases to function. (probably a good idea anyway)
        Turn most of humankind into ‘slaves’ and you need 100 slaves for each slave owner—and i havent gone into the logistics- of feeding them and ‘enforcing them’

        • Tim Groves says:

          Ode to Norman

          I read through your comment throughout.
          It was tough to follow you into your burrow,
          Especially regarding that snippet about
          A trough, which is much like a furrow.
          But the logic you followed was thorough.

          Here is my report
          On the battle you fought:
          With your arguments, taut,
          And the lessons you taught,
          I could not find much fault,
          And no errors I caught.
          Though I naturally thought
          It was fraught with sort
          Of laboured retort
          To which you seem habitually bound to resort.

  4. hillcountry says:

    This was kind of surprising.
    Paper from September 2021 is about using TRETINOIN in FACEMASKS.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8439182/

    It is shown here that tretinoin released as a functional cargo molecule from the bioactive and biodegradable carrier can bind to the virus protein with high affinity. The binding energy is high with −412.8 kJ mol−1.15 Surely the affinity between tretinoin, a compound with both hydrophilic and lipophilic potential,59 and the hydrophilic Ca-polyP-NP, like in “Ca-polyP-NP/Treti”, is lower, suggesting a comparably rapid release of tretinoin from the polymeric nanocarrier.

    The data in this report show that co-incubation of liposomes decorated with viroporin together with “Ca-polyP-NP/Treti” leads in a rapid disintegration of the lipid particles (Fig. 9.II-A–E). This finding is strong evidence that the fragmentation is due to a lytic disruption of the liposomes.

    • How does this translate to lay people?

      • hillcountry says:

        The proof-of-concept mask will be made out of a spun-polymer that binds the spike protein. The next defense incorporated into the mask is Tretinoin, which having been stuffed into a Tretinoin-carrier-molecule, is released (through some kind of ‘-philic’, attractive force) into a viral viporin-channel (a trans-membrane channel consisting of a protein [like a tunnel I guess) which somehow eliminates the virus once the Tretinoin is lodged in there.

  5. Minority of One says:

    In Canada, another doctor who had little time for the unvaxxed dies shortly after his booster:

    Prominent cardiologist who said he would not cry at funeral of ‘selfish’ unvaxxed, dies in sleep weeks after endorsing third jab
    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/11/13/prominent-cardiologist-who-said-he-would-not-cry-at-funeral-of-selfish-unvaxxed-dies-in-sleep-reportedly-weeks-after-third-jab-1162553/

    Another coincidence.

    • davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

      “… he had received the booster, writing “Vax Shot 3: Electric Flu-Galoo,” giving the jab “two thumbs up”…”

      ELECTRIC FLU-GALOO!!!!!!!

      wooooooo!!!!!!!

      52 year old was healthy but now he’s dead dead dead!!!!!!!

      ELECTRIC FLU-GALOO!!!!!!!

      • Xabier says:

        Arrogance and hubris met their just reward, it seems.

        To think that such a man had the care of patients entrusted to him!

        As he said, ‘give stupid people a choice’………

    • ssincoski says:

      We have to give him credit for being technically correct. He will not be crying at anymore funerals. And what is this ‘dies in sleep’ thing being hoisted on us. Sure 52/46/34 year old folks die all the time in their sleep!

      • drb says:

        He died doing what he loved to do.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        In DelusiSTAN that happens all the time .. right norm dunc?

        I wonder if all these deaths and the heaps of wrecked bodies that norm dunc see as they drive past… is making the geriatrics a bit… nervous…

        Are you guys making appointments for Booster Rocket 2? Or have you had enough?

    • Sam says:

      Seems like this is happening to men more than women. Is that true? No autopsy? Was it cardiac arrest?

  6. Ed says:

    New York State is talking about a per mile driven tax on cars.

  7. hillcountry says:

    This one is almost as good as it gets. Case reports like this one are neat.

    IT MAY HELP DECIPHER THINGS WE’RE WITNESSING

    Case Reports
    J Chin Med Assoc
    2015 May

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25726499/

    ALL-TRANS RETINOIC ACID-INDUCED, LIFE-THREATENING COMPLETE ATRIOVENTRICULAR BLOCK

    Abstract
    We report a case of complete atrioventricular block (CAVB) with ventricular asystole and recurrent AVBs due to all-trans retinoic acid (ATRA). A 57-year-old man with acute promyelocytic leukemia was undergoing induction therapy with ATRA and developed episodic seizures with altered consciousness on the 14(th) day and then CAVB followed by cardiac arrest on the 15(th) day. Although he initially recovered after resuscitation, he suffered from recurrent CAVB, which persisted for 3 days despite immediate ATRA discontinuation. He then received ATRA retreatment with reduction of dosage, but a high-degree AVB recurred on the 5(th) day. After discontinuation of ATRA therapy, the patient recovered 3 days later without any cardiovascular event during follow-up. The serial electrocardiogram changes suggested an infra-Hisian block with possible ATRA dose-response relationship. To our knowledge, this is the first established case of ATRA-induced CAVB in the literature. We suggest clinical alertness for this life-threatening complication.

  8. Sam says:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/walmart-earnings-guidance-blow-away-expectations-amid-shopping-frenzy-americans-rush-beat

    I thought this was important.. they are rushing to buy before shortages . Stocks will go up and this will be short lived

    • This is a quote:

      “Remarkably unlike previous quarters when the comp store beat was driven by tickets at the expense of traffic, in Q3 customers both bought more items and paid more for the goods. Transactions rose 5.7% and average ticket climbed 3.3%, reflecting inflationary trends that are sweeping the consumer sector.

      Additionally, the company’s E-Commerce sales continued to grow at an impressive pace, rising +8%, above the average estimate of +1.93%, while Sam’s Club e-commerce sales soared 32%.”

      Buy ahead for Christmas, I suppose, to some extent. This does sound like a lot.

  9. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Kuwait has added Lebanon to the list of countries to which the transfer of charity donations is banned, a Kuwaiti newspaper has reported…

    “The reported ban on donation transfers comes as Kuwait is investigating a number of suspects accused of offering financial support to the Lebanese Iran-allied Hezbollah group. The case surfaced amid a sharp diplomatic crisis between Gulf countries…”

    https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/report-kuwait-bans-donations-to-lebanon-1.83731616

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Saudi Arabia sees no purpose in engaging Lebanon at this time, says foreign minister.

      “Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister said the kingdom does not plan to engage with the Lebanese government at this time in a deepening rift, reiterating a call on the political class to end the “domination” of the Iran-allied Hezbollah movement.”

      https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-sees-no-purpose-engaging-lebanon-this-time-says-foreign-minister-2021-11-14/

    • This is the excuse given regarding not accepting outside donations:

      “There are Kuwaiti fears that any economic collapse in Beirut will waste donation money,” the paper quoted an unidentified source as saying. “Due to keenness on safeguarding these funds, the related government agencies have seen it is necessary to stop these transfers until further notice and until the situation stabilises there,” the source added.

      They cannot really use the funds. They may be lost. How about in-kind goods?

  10. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Slackflation Beckons as Global Growth Goes Off the Boil…

    “How about a little slackflation? Asia’s recovery is losing its footing, with potentially significant consequences. Slowing world growth that’s not quite stagnant, combined with a prolonged period of uncomfortably quick price increases, might be with us for a while.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-15/slackflation-beckons-as-global-recovery-from-covid-goes-off-the-boil

  11. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Japan Offers Financial Aid to Oil Refiners Amid Rising Costs.

    “Japan is stepping in to bear some of the burden faced by its oil refiners as higher crude feedstock costs threaten to flow through into fuel prices and inflation.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-16/japan-offers-financial-aid-to-oil-refiners-amid-rising-costs

  12. Harry McGibbs says:

    “The Bakken oilfield in North Dakota, the birthplace of America’s oil boom a decade ago, is struggling to recover from last year’s market crash even as crude prices have surged back to $80 a barrel.

    “It reflects a broader slowdown in growth from America’s oil patch as companies keep spending low in a bid to redirect the windfall of cash from higher prices back to shareholders. But analysts say the Bakken faces a bleak future after years of intensive drilling.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/29743712-e42c-467e-8dbb-94a4b8e0f602

  13. Harry McGibbs says:

    “High inflation returns to Brazil: ‘each week there are different prices’…

    “Over the past 12 months, Brazilian shoppers have witnessed sharp rises in products ranging from refined sugar (48 per cent) and cooking gas (38 per cent) to airline tickets (50 per cent).”

    https://www.ft.com/content/98ffc950-8192-4a87-b82f-ba0bd8023d66

  14. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Turkish lira hits new depths ahead of another expected rate cut.

    “Turkey’s lira weakened more than 1.7% on Tuesday to a new record low of 10.24 against the dollar, weighed down by expectations of another interest rate cut by the central bank that analysts say is buckling to political pressure.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkish-lira-hits-new-depths-ahead-another-expected-rate-cut-2021-11-16/

  15. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Nigerian oil union threatens strike action over pay issues.

    “One of Nigeria’s main oil and gas unions said on Tuesday it had issued a 14-day warning of strike action over several labour disputes, including those with oil majors Chevron and Eni.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/nigerian-oil-union-threatens-strike-action-over-pay-issues-2021-11-16/

  16. Harry McGibbs says:

    “South Africa’s ANC struggles to stay in power in major cities…

    “South Africa’s ruling African National Congress is facing life as an opposition party in the country’s major cities, as it struggles to forge coalition agreements with its rivals after its disastrous performance in local elections.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/2b1e5052-4890-4a07-8788-9864ca602540

    • Harry McGibbs says:

      “Wrangling over Eskom debt compounds South Africa’s energy crisis.

      “After years of wrangling, South Africa appears no closer to finalising a plan to cut Eskom’s R402-billion of debt to more sustainable levels… The lack of consensus between the key players bodes ill for a speedy end to power outages that have hamstrung the economy since 2005.”

      https://techcentral.co.za/wrangling-over-eskom-debt-compounds-south-africas-energy-crisis/204828/

      • Harry McGibbs says:

        “Zimbabwe has energy crisis. North bank of Kariba dam power station had tripped out…

        “It is now clear that our failure to invest in power generation and distribution over the past 40 years has caught up with us in a big way.

        “Eskom, always regarded as a reliable backstop with significant surpluses of cheap coal fired energy, finds itself short of nearly one third of demand despite recent investments in two huge coal fired power stations.

        “The situation is so serious in South Africa that people are making allegations that it is due to sabotage.”

        https://www.zawya.com/mena/en/story/Zimbabwe_has_energy_crisis-SNG_261091704/

        • I can see why there is a problem:

          We recently expanded the production of power on both sides of the river by the installation of additional turbines, with the result that we are now generating over 1000 megawatts at both power stations.

          This is substantially above the long-term capacity of the system given the availability of water from the catchment area.

          So, on the rare occasion that there is extra water, extra electricity can be generated. But what happens the rest of the time?

      • South Africa needs an increasing supply of cheaper-to-extract coal. Fewer people would help, as well.

  17. Harry McGibbs says:

    “Germany’s network regulator said Tuesday that it has suspended its procedure to certify the operator of a new pipeline that would bring Russian gas to the country under the Baltic Sea because of an issue with the company’s status under German law.

    “Construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline was completed earlier this year, but it is not yet in operation. It is a contentious project that Ukraine and the United States have opposed.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/nord-stream-2-pipeline-certification-suspended-germany-rcna5676

  18. Sam says:

    Why are there so many cases in Germany and so many deaths?

  19. hillcountry says:

    >> IVERMECTIN AND RETINOL <<

    BINDING STUDIES USING RADIO-LABELED IVERMECTIN AND RETINOL REVEAL THAT IVERMECTIN HAS A HIGHER AFFINITY THAN RETINOL FOR PARASITE RETINOL-BINDING PROTEIN.

    WOO-HOO
    1988 GO FIGURE

    looks like something the FLCCC Alliance guys would find interesting –
    maybe the deeper 'mechanisms' were forgotten??

    How's this related to a "coats/binds the spike-protein" explanation?

    gotta love that "Vitamin A" (RETINOL) connection. It's everywhere you look.
    Thank God the full-text is still available.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC1148799/

    Biochem J
    1988 Feb

    Specific interaction of ivermectin with retinol-binding protein from filarial parasites

    Abstract
    Specific cellular binding proteins for retinol and retinoic acid from mammalian and avian species may mediate the action of retinoids in the control of epithelial differentiation, growth and tumorigenesis. Parasite retinol-binding protein (PRBP) and parasite retinoic acid-binding protein (PRABP) isolated and characterized from parasitic worms of the family Filarioidea might be involved in some possible action of vitamin A compounds in these parasites. Ivermectin, a potent and widely used anti-parasitic drug, competes efficiently with retinol for retinol-binding sites on PRBP, but not for the host-tissue retinol-binding-protein sites. The drug has no affinity for retinoic acid-binding proteins from either parasite or host tissues. Binding studies using radiolabelled ivermectin and retinol reveal that ivermectin has a higher affinity than retinol for PRBP. A correlation exists between the binding affinities of ivermectin analogues and their anti-parasitic activities. A binding-protein-mediated interrelationship may exist between the actions of retinol and ivermectin in the parasites, but not in the host tissues.

    • Tim Groves says:

      Interesting! But biochemistry and pharmacology are getting much too complicated for most of us to wrap our heads around. So many interactions. So many kinds of molecule.

  20. postkey says:

    “Gibraltar; the most vaccinated region on Earth (100% fully vaccinated, 40% boosted) has now cancelled Christmas due to “exponential” rise in cases.”
    https://twitter.com/sunniewithrain/status/1460441288252145664?s=20

  21. Fast Eddy says:

    How cool is this … if the audience will recall… Fast Eddy decided he’d vote last year… it seemed the thing to do … but because Fast Eddy believes elections are for the most part a joke… HE cast his vote for … The Outdoor Party…

    HE had no idea whatsoever what this party’s platform was… HE though that there was the off-chance it was all about promoting outdoor parties… who knows.. who cares… it seemed like… The Right Thing To Do. So HE did it. The Freedom Party received roughly as many votes as the amount of healthy people dying from Covid…

    It turns out Fast Eddy is on the right side of things …. Some nice fat emails at the top to use in the anonymous email messaging system on headsup!

    https://www.outdoorsparty.co.nz/lawyer-sue-grey-to-nz-government-failure-to-cease-covid-vaccination-programme-may-constitute-homicide/

    • Fast Eddy says:

      MPs’ security in spotlight

      MPs have been offered improved home security after escalating threats from those protesting at the Covid-19 vaccination.

      Labour’s chief whip Kieran McAnulty has received multiple death threats after being filmed and abused by a protester over the weekend.

      After being confronted, Mr McAnulty approached Parliamentary security on behalf of all MPs.

      The security team has agreed to put forward a proposal on further protections.

      As a start, all MPs can request a security upgrade of their Wellington residences – including a potential lock-change or camera installation.

      “I’ve never received death threats before so it is pretty confronting, but I’d like some further advice as to how serious that is or if it’s a keyboard warrior just getting wound up,” McNulty said.

  22. Fast Eddy says:

    OH MY GOD!!!!

    Remember Clinton?

    https://youtu.be/QzCQg94oOmk

    Now watch this again

    https://twitter.com/mcm_ct/status/1459702205758459905

    I think I know what is going on .. the Aliens took control of Clinton using some sort of injection … that was a bit of a relapse in that clip… they also injected the same substance into Putin Xi Macron Ardern Trudeau Boris etc etc etc….

    And NOW they are trying to inject all 8B of us…. mike norm dunc are in their control – that’s why it is impossible to get through to them….

    Hold the line … HOLD the f789ing line. These Aliens must be stopped.

    David Icke might be correct after all…. we know their weakness… they don’t like the cold… turn the AC full blast!!!

    • hillcountry says:

      Hard one to watch. Needle hit a blood-vessel perhaps?

      BACK WHEN SCIENCE WAS A BIT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD

      NOTE HOW THEY TREAT “VITAMIN A” WITH GREAT CAUTION

      Review Mol Neurobiol
      Spring 1992

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1463588/

      Vitamin neurotoxicity

      Abstract
      Vitamins contain reactive functional groups necessary to their established roles as coenzymes and reducing agents. Their reactive potential may produce injury if vitamin concentration, distribution, or metabolism is altered. However, identification of vitamin toxicity has been difficult. The only well-established human vitamin neurotoxic effects are those due to hypervitaminosis A (pseudotumor cerebri) and pyridoxine (sensory neuropathy). In each case, the neurological effects of vitamin deficiency and vitamin excess are similar. Closely related to the neurological symptoms of hypervitaminosis A are symptoms including headache, pseudotumor cerebri, and embryotoxic effects reported in patients given vitamin A analogs or retinoids.

      The multiple enzymes and binding proteins involved in regeneration of retinal vitamin A illustrate the complexity of vitamin processing in the body. Vitamin A toxicity is also a good general model of vitamin neurotoxicity, because it shows the importance of the ratio of vitamin and vitamin-binding proteins in producing vitamin toxicity and of CNS permeability barriers.

      REPEAT: “CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM PERMEABILITY BARRIERS”

      Because vitamin A and analogs enter the CNS better than most vitamins,

      and because retinoids have many effects on enzyme activity and gene expression, Vitamin A neurotoxicity is more likely than that of most, perhaps all other vitamins.

      Megadose vitamin therapy may cause injury that is confused with disease symptoms. High vitamin intake is more hazardous to peripheral organs than to the nervous system, because CNS vitamin entry is restricted.

      Vitamin administration into the brain or CSF, recommended in certain disease states, is hazardous and best avoided. The lack of controlled trials prevents us from defining the lowest human neurotoxic dose of any vitamin.

      Large differences in individual susceptibility to vitamin neurotoxicity probably exist, and ordinary vitamin doses may harm occasional patients with genetic disorders.

      (ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 400 WORDS)

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Now we know what’s happening inside of norms brain… these injections contain bits of stooopidity… that rot the brain

    • JesseJames says:

      GREAT post FE….Priceless!

  23. Thierry says:

    Gail, I tried to post a comment about Ugo Bardi’s latest post, twice, and it has been moderated. Can you tell me why?

  24. Fast Eddy says:

    Please share

    She Got the Jab – Watch What Happened Next!

    https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=344

    • hillcountry says:

      OK Fast – that’s looks like a Team B production. And how’d you manage 3:33? Is that an App or does it just “happen”? My clock does that all the time.

      • hillcountry says:

        Maybe not – watched it again about a dozen times. Doesn’t look like acting. Watch how they try to protect her from her flailing, especially her head. These Red Cross folks have training.

  25. Fast Eddy says:

    Oh I see.. we are transitioning to an acknowledged digital world…

    https://www.rt.com/business/540319-barbados-embassy-crypto-powered-metaverse/

  26. Fast Eddy says:

    Random roommate assignments, a freshman year tradition at colleges across the U.S., were once again allowed this year at Indiana University (IU). Although IU mandated all students receive the COVID-19 vaccine, not every student has gotten it. While random assignments returned, IU updated its policy to deal with vaccine concerns.

    “One of the stipulations that got written into that was that students who lived in the residence halls wouldn’t have to live with someone who wasn’t vaccinated or had a mismatch in status,” said Sara Ivey Lucas, IU director of residential life.

    https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/news/local/2021/11/15/iu-student-covid-19-vaccination-status-playing-large-role-roomate-selection/6271313001/

  27. jj says:

    I for one congratulate SNL for their correction of Joe Rogans misthought. While it is every citizens duty to educate themselves on correctthought by intaking at least 6 hours of a approved and knowledgable news service such as CNN daily even the most diligent citizen might make a mistake. Thats why its best that we learn correctthought at every opportunity including any comedy programs we might (inadvertently) watch. I found the SNL sketch where Rogan was instructed to s*** d*** because of his treatment of covid with ivermectin to be enormously funny. Super good entertainment SNL setting new standards for comedy and correctthought at the same time! That will certainly teach Rogan and his millions of listeners a good lesson! I betcha that silly Joe would much rather be intubated now!

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/snl-backlash-skit-mocks-joe-rogan-horse-medicine

  28. Fast Eddy says:

    Seattle 13-Year-Old Watches Father Die as Police Funding Cuts Delay Emergency Response

    Staffing shortages in Seattle, due in part to the city’s vaccine mandate for emergency workers, resulted in a 13-year-old boy watching his father die after he suffered a medical emergency.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/bb-seattle-teen-watches-father-die-police-funding-cuts-delay-emergency-respons/

  29. Fast Eddy says:

    “Obesity and the pandemic (update)” – “In the non-elderly population, however, it has been shown that obesity is one of the most important risk factors for severe and fatal Covid,” concludes Swiss Policy Research.

    https://swprs.org/obesity-and-the-pandemic-update/

    Death to the Obese… if you cannot control what you shove into that gaping maw… then so be it

  30. Fast Eddy says:

    “Why isn’t the MHRA investigating vaccine deaths?” – “I write on behalf of myself and the many others who are experiencing ‘vaccine hesitancy’ to request your help in enabling us to come to an informed decision regarding the injections against Covid which we are being ‘offered’,” says Gillian Dymond in a letter to Dr. June Raine, the Chief Executive of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, in TCW.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/home-truths-about-jab-victims/

    Cuz they were told by the elders not to

  31. Fast Eddy says:

    It is happening.

    Austria has announced they will have a lockdown for the unvaccinated.

    They will have police out on the streets checking peoples papers to see if their medical status allows them to be outside.

    Imagine telling someone this 1 year ago.

    https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/1459953800517726211

    papers – or gulag… full on!!! now they get to experience what it was like in commie russai

  32. Fast Eddy says:

    “‘I am deeply ashamed of our country’: Austria’s greatest Olympian quits political role as lockdown for unvaccinated comes in” – “Austria’s most successful Olympian, Felix Gottwald, has accused the Government of discriminating and dividing by introducing a strict lockdown for the unvaccinated, causing the country’s Sports Minister to defend the measures,”

    https://www.rt.com/sport/540350-austria-lockdown-covid-coronavirus-unvaccinated-gottwald/

  33. Thierry says:

    What happened to Ugo Bardi? His posted a strange article written by Luca Pardi quoting the work of a think tank RethinkX.
    The co-founder of the think tank, Tony Seba, looks like a perfect villain for any conspiracy theorist: “He has been a keynote speaker at hundreds of global events and organizations including Google, the European Commission, Davos, COP21, CLSA, J.P. Morgan, Nomura, National Governors Association, Conference on World Affairs, the Global Leaders Forum, Intersolar and China EV100.”
    https://tonyseba.com/
    He met the other co-founder, James Arbib in a US military think tank. Lovely people!
    And they published last year a book titled “Rethinking Humanity” https://www.rethinkx.com/humanity
    I have read a couple of pages and here is what they want for us:
    Decentralization and the end of nation states.
    Megacities (100M people and more)
    End of agriculture and lab grown food.
    Blockchain technology in every aspect of daily life
    AI to simulate the world and help decision making
    etc.
    Their models: “cities, or states such as Israel, Mumbai, Dubai, Singapore, Lagos, Shanghai, California, or Seattle are more likely to develop a winning Organizing System.” Seriously?

    My only explanation is that Ugo has been hacked by the Davos people.
    Maybe his series about exterminations was not appreciated. Maybe he is a double agent.
    I feel like the lights are being switched off. Hope Gail is not next. Everybody, take care!

    • Some of Ugo Bardi’s writing is very optimistic. Back in Oil Drum days, he seemed to be convinced that some kind of electricity generating kites (sort of like wind turbines, but cheaper to construct) would save the world. Ugo has done quite a bit of writing for the Club of Rome. The Club of Rome is now a very “green” organization. It is sponsoring the view that renewables will save us.

    • Kowalainen says:

      “AI to simulate the world and help decision making
      etc.”

      This probably hurt my soul the most.

      😡

    • Fast Eddy says:

      Hack . Saw

    • The combination of his accent and the difficult issues that he is talking about make this somewhat difficult to understand. He is clearly against vaccinating children and still is concerned about making the virus worse.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        (47:28) “The booster will again strongly suppress your innate immunity .. what they are doing right now in Israel I cannot imagine – or we have to rewrite virology and immunology … I cannot imagine that that will have a happy ending what Israel is doing now… the train will arrive at the end station by the time the virus becomes resistant to the vaccine…. all the curves will converge and the will all lead to the same end station… this will happen everywhere… these strains are highly infectious…”

  34. Fast Eddy says:

    norm’s arm will look like that of a heroin addict in 2022!

    And 20% decrease in cognitive ability per shot… wooo hoooo!!!

    https://media1.tenor.com/images/52ae11ef05a767063fea2853d96e666e/tenor.gif

  35. Fast Eddy says:

    Who do boosters decline twice faster than original shots?

    The answer is: we definitely do not know. Boosters generate the same exact S-antibodies as the original shot, and in fact more of them than after second shot. But somehow, their effectiveness wanes twice faster, in fact even more so since they start waning from a higher level of Geometric Mean Titers.

    The possibilities that I see are

    Pfizer vaccine incrementally destroys immune system with each shot, so that Israelis are not capable of maintaining antibody levels as well as after the second shot

    Somehow human organisms actually learn better to REJECT the vaccine and destroy the foreign generated antibodies

    OR — Please suggest your own mechanism

    The virus strengthens each time it gets hit…

    • drb says:

      IMHO immune system exhaustion (as you say) is by far the leading hypothesis.

      • hillcountry says:

        Last word – third paragraph

        J Immunol
        2017 Feb 15
        CD8+ T Cells That Coexpress RORγt and T-bet Are Functionally Impaired and Expand in Patients with Distal Bile Duct Cancer

        CD8+ T cells that express retinoic acid-related orphan receptor (ROR)γt (TC17 cells) have been shown to promote procarcinogenic inflammation and contribute to a tolerogenic microenvironment in tumors. We investigated their phenotype and functional properties in relationship to the pathogenesis of human distal bile duct cancer (DBDC).

        DBDC patients had an elevated level of type 17 immune responses and the frequency of CD8+RORγt+ T cells (TC17 cells) was increased in peripheral blood. The CD8+RORγt+ T cells represented a highly activated subset and produced IL-17A in equal amount as CD4+RORγt+ T cells (TH17 cells).

        Most CD8+RORγt+ T cells coexpressed T-bet, a lineage transcription factor for TH1 and TC1 development, suggesting that CD8+RORγt+ T cells undergo plasticity toward a TC17/1-like phenotype with coproduction of IL-17A and INF-γ. In comparison with CD8+RORγt- T cells, the CD8+RORγt+ T cells had a higher level of TCR signaling and were terminally differentiated and exhausted.

        These cells also had impaired ability to re-express perforin after degranulation and reduced cytotoxic immune function. A subset of CD8+RORγt+ T cells expressing a low level of programmed cell death protein 1 and a high level of OX40 were associated with reduced patient survival. In conclusion, CD8+RORγt+ T cells are proinflammatory and functionally impaired and may contribute to the pathogenesis of DBDC.
        Copyright © 2017 by The American Association of Immunologists, Inc.

      • hillcountry says:

        Here’s something I wouldn’t be willing to throw Retinoic Acid into the mix of, certainly not just for its dramatic aggravation of the immune system, which is the Adjuvant Effect it may be playing. I’m hoping that the hypothesis that RA is in the vaccines is incorrect. This stuff is way too complicated. And mass-experiments have far too many variables.

        But almost 60-years of food “fortification” with Retinyl Palmitate is a fact. It’s like the advisors to Presidents never heard of Avogadro’s number. Or as Grant theorizes in one of his books, there was a cancer-crisis due to one of the vaccine-campaigns in the 1950’s that didn’t show up until later and by the time it started raising eyebrows the wise-men said throw Vitamin A at it. If so, it looks like they missed the barn.

        Anyway – who in their right mind, given the post above and this excerpt, would any Retinoid willy-nilly into systems (ours) this complicated?

        Quote: The extracellular IgV-like domain of CD8-α interacts with the α3 portion of the Class I MHC molecule. This affinity keeps the T cell receptor of the cytotoxic T cell and the target cell bound closely together during antigen-specific activation. Cytotoxic T cells with CD8 surface protein are called CD8+ T cells. The main recognition site is a flexible loop at the α3 domain of an MHC molecule. End quote.

  36. Fast Eddy says:

    For Israel, such a hypothetical mind exercise would get the “singularity point” of infinitely frequent boosters to be 16 months from starting of vaccination, so about next July. So, by next July, vaccination frequency in Israel would become infinite, the entire Israeli treasury becoming property of Pfizer, at which point the experiment would stop.

    Wow.

    This is, of course, ridiculous and is meant to be a light-hearted way to remind everyone that geometric series are not sustainable in real life. Something will happen to stop this exponential insanity.

    Immune Exhaustion will stop it

    • hillcountry says:

      Fast Eddy – tell me it ain’t so. That’s a wicked analogy you conjured. Is it ‘get out the slide-rule” time? Ever notice Asymptote and Asymptomatic. What could it mean?

      • Fast Eddy says:

        The thing is…

        We get to observe norm sinking deeper into delusion with every shot… he never was that sharp but now he’s trying to chop logs with a sledge hammer…

        Wait till jab 4 and 5… if he doesn’t collapse on the floor https://twitter.com/mcm_ct/status/1459702205758459905 and end up in a wheel chair (or worse…) we get to analyse his descent into absolute MOREONISM…

        norm is our live case study on the effects of the lethal injection

  37. Fast Eddy says:

    one month … one week… one hour … one minute…. one second … Immune Exhaustion Head Explodes

    hahahahaha Devil Covid!!!!

  38. Fast Eddy says:

    One of my favorite Twitter posters, @RanIsraeli, posted this amazing article. It shows that protection against infection, dropped to about 50% in just three months post-booster.

    I would like to remind everyone that “effectiveness” of the Pfizer vax, takes six months to drop 50% after initial vaccination. And after booster, it is only three months.

    Those of us who remember high school math, would note that with efficacy decay time dropping by half with every booster, frequency of boosters would have to double with every application.

    This means that if the first booster is given in 8 months, the second booster needs to be given in 4 months, the third in 2 months, the fourth in 1 month, the fifth in two weeks, the six in one week, and so on. This mathematical exercise describes a “geometric series” that actually adds up to infinite number of boosters, but a finite amount of time, with booster frequency becoming INFINITE in 16 months since vaccination starts. This is like a “singularity point” where matter (or boosters) gets compressed infinitely and the time stops and the clock stops ticking.

    hahahahahahaahahahahahaahah this is GREAT!!! right norm dunc?

  39. Fast Eddy says:

    Infinitely frequent boosters by next July? Booster immunity waning twice faster than original

    https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=342

    • From the post:

      Why do boosters decline twice faster than original shots?

      The answer is: we definitely do not know. Boosters generate the same exact S-antibodies as the original shot, and in fact more of them than after second shot. But somehow, their effectiveness wanes twice faster, in fact even more so since they start waning from a higher level of Geometric Mean Titers.

      The possibilities that I see are

      1. Pfizer vaccine incrementally destroys immune system with each shot, so that Israelis are not capable of maintaining antibody levels as well as after the second shot

      2. Somehow human organisms actually learn better to REJECT the vaccine and destroy the foreign generated antibodies

  40. Vaxxident says:

    Sri Lanka closes its only oil refinery facing dollar shortage

    https://new.in-24.com/business/316546.html

    Sri Lanka closed its only oil refinery on Monday because it could not import crude due to a dollar shortage that is plunging the country into a serious crisis.

    Energy Minister Udaya Gammanpila said it was the first time that the Sapugaskanda refinery had been closed since it was built by Iran in 1969.

    He added that the country was considering importing refined gasoline and diesel to save money.

    The country’s foreign exchange reserves fell to $ 2.3 billion at the end of October, from $ 7.5 billion when the current government took office almost two years ago.

    Senior Sri Lankan officials have warned fuel will be rationed by the end of the year if consumption is not drastically reduced.

  41. Fast Eddy says:

    YES! This is excellent … now all we need to get are the babies…

    Health experts in Hong Kong have recommended that children aged three years and above be able to receive the Sinovac Covid-19 vaccine, in a move that will push the city closer to the goal of mass immunity.

    https://www.todayonline.com/world/hong-kong-vaccine-experts-recommend-sinovac-covid-19-shots-children-aged-3-and-above

    Odd… didn’t the CDC say that mass vaccination will not generate herd immunity? The poor CovIDIOTS are getting so many conflicting messages they don’t know which way is up anymore.

    https://www.pixel4k.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/joker-devil-smile_1596915482.jpg

  42. Fast Eddy says:

    A new study from Sweden has the potential to upend what we know about COVID vaccine spike protein, including where they end up in human cells. As science plays catch up, shocking findings hint at major disruptions in the cell’s DNA repair mechanisms.

    https://thehighwire.com/videos/is-spike-protein-causing-catastrophic-damage-to-dna/

    • This is a video with respect to the journal article we saw earlier called SARS-CoV-2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V9D)J Recombination in Vitro by Hui Jiang and Ya-Fang Mei.

  43. Fast Eddy says:

    Hahaha… norm dunc mike …. Walk us through this video will ya… tell us what you feel when you watch … is there a take-away message that you’d like to tell us about?

    https://thehighwire.com/videos/why-are-healthy-athletes-collapsing/

    • a lesson you taught me eddy

      never ever open an eddylink

      all clickbait

      • Fast Eddy says:

        Yes all those dead athletes are fake news norm…

        When the booster or the enhanced covid result in you dropping off of OFW… we’ll send flowers hahahahaha

        • you mean like general watsisname, who you trumpeted as ‘dying from covid’–ignoring completely the fact that he had terminal cancer and was on immunosuppressant medication .?

          i was also concerned about your 2022 conspirathon, because there will be no paralympic athletes to be subject to you mockery and scorn

          • Fast Eddy says:

            No he’s not an athlete… I was referred to the 100+ athletes listed on this thread who are dead or maimed from the vax https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=287

            I am quite keen to follow norm on his journey through multiple boosters… I wonder if when norm eventually gets the Lucky Strike… and he’s damaged.. if he will continue with this truly MOREONIC position … or he will acknowledge that he’s but a total fool.

            I am thinking the former. It’s impossible to cure what is wrong with norm

            • i’ve had so many boosters, i have reached terminal velocity—enough to land me on the moon

              i will take pics of Armstrongs footprints and show you when I get back eddy

  44. Rodster says:

    “Julio Lugo, former MLB shortstop who won 2007 World Series with Red Sox, dies at 45”

    ….but, but was he vaccinated? Fast and inquiring minds would like to know.

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/julio-lugo-former-mlb-shortstop-who-won-2007-world-series-with-red-sox-dies-at-45/

    • Fast Eddy says:

      We’ve got a black whippet… and my choice of names is either Julio (Hoolio Foolio) or Magoo… M Fast wants Scoobie…

      Help me out…

    • Mike Roberts says:

      You would probably like to see that information with all deaths. For those that were vaccinated, you’d then pretend that it was the vaccine that caused the deaths. People die all the time, for all sorts of reasons.

      • Fast Eddy says:

        OFW has a resident jester… norm… we also need a resident dunce… please apply here _____

  45. davidinamonthorayearoradecade says:

    the majority of first world adults are jabbed, and yet the pandemic continues.

    the virus is spreading mostly through the activities of this majority.

    the unjabbed are being slaughttered by the activities of this majority.

    the unjabbed also are being victimized by the suppression of early treatments by corruppt institutions.

    the statistics continue to show that the unjabbed are a somewhat higher % of serious cases, due to the contagion mainly from the jabbed and the lack of early stage medical treatments.

    a main benefit for the unjabbed continues to be that they suffer ZERO side effects from the toxic spike protein “vaccines”.

    I am still waiting for The Science to report on the 5 year side effects of getting jabbed every 6 months.

    I trust the scientific method, so I await these results, though it is obvious that many “scientists” are corrrrupted by the billions of dollars exchanging hands in their professions.

    once again, I plead with all the double jabbed to get boosters every 6 months so that The Science can have a large data base with which to report conclusions of side effects.

    thanks in advance.

  46. CTG says:

    GM Defense To Build Military Version Of Hummer EV

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/gm-defense-build-military-version-hummer-ev

    OK. Tell me that I am wrong but what kind of army would want to have an EV in the warzone?

    Sorry mate, we cannot rescue you because we need to charge the EV for 10 hours.

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