There is more to the fossil fuel energy predicament than we usually hear about.
Strangely enough, a big part of the confusion regarding the nature of our energy problem comes from the fact that virtually everyone wants to hear good news, even when the news isn’t very good. We end up seeing information in the Mainstream Media mostly from the perspective of what people want to hear, rather than from the perspective of what the story really is. In this post, I explain why this situation tends to occur. I also explain why our current energy situation is starting to look more and more like an energy shortage situation that could lead to economic collapse.
This post is a write-up of a presentation I gave recently. A PDF of my talk can be found at this link. An mp4 video of my talk can be found at this link: Gail Tverberg’s Nov. 9 presentation–Our Fossil Fuel Energy Predicament.
Most people attending my talk reported that they had mostly heard about the issue on the right end of Slide 2: the problem of using too much fossil fuel and related climate change.
I think the real issue is the one shown on the left side of Slide 2. This is a physics issue. Without fossil fuels, we would find it necessary to go back to using older renewables, such as oxen or horses for plowing, burned wood and other biomass for heat, and wind-powered sail boats for international transport.
Needless to say, these older renewables are only available in tiny quantities today, if they are available at all. They wouldn’t provide many jobs other than those depending on manual labor, such as subsistence agriculture. Nuclear and modern renewables would not be available because they depend on fossil fuels for their production, maintenance and long distance transmission lines.
On Slide 4, note that M. King Hubbert was a physicist. This seems to be the academic specialty that finds holes in other people’s wishful thinking.
Another thing to note is Hubbert’s willingness to speculate about the future of nuclear energy. He seemed to believe that nuclear energy could take over, when other energy fails. Needless to say, this hasn’t happened. Today, nuclear energy comprises only 4% of the world’s total energy supply.
The transcript of the entire talk by Rear Admiral Hyman Rickover is worth reading. I have excerpted a few sentences from his talk. His talk took place only a year after Hubbert published his research.
Rickover clearly understood the important role that fossil fuels played in the economy. At that early date, it looked as if fossil fuels would become too expensive to extract between 2000 and 2050. A doubling of unit costs for energy may not sound like much, but it is, if a person thinks about how much poor people in poor countries spend on food and other energy products. If the price of these goods rises from 25% of their income to 50% of their income, there is not enough left over for other goods and services.
Regarding Slide 6, the book The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others provided early computer modeling of how population growth and extraction of resources might play out. The base model seemed to indicate that economic decline would start about now. Various other scenarios were considered, including a doubling of the resources. Without very unrealistic assumptions, the economy always headed downward before 2100.
Another way of approaching the problem is to analyze historical civilizations that have collapsed. Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov analyzed eight economies that collapsed in their book Secular Cycles. There have been many examples of economies encountering a new source of energy (conquering a new land, or developing a new way of producing more energy), growing for a time, reaching a time where growth is more limited, and finally discovering that the economy that had been built up could no longer be supported by the resources available. Both population and production of goods and services tended to crash.
We can think of the current economy, based on the use of fossil fuels, as likely following a similar path. Coal began to be used in quantity about 200 years ago, in 1820. The economy grew, as oil and natural gas production was added. We seem to have hit a period of “Stagflation,” about 1970, which is 50 years ago. The timing might be right to enter the “Crisis” period, about now.
We don’t know how long such a Crisis Period might last this time. Early economies were very different from today’s economy. They didn’t depend on electricity, international trade or international finance in the same way that today’s world economy does. It is possible (in fact, fairly likely) that the downslope might occur more rapidly this time.
Past Crisis Periods seem to feature a high level of conflict because rising population leads to a situation where there are no longer enough goods and services to go around. According to Turchin and Nefedov, some features of the Crisis Periods included increased wage disparity, collapsing or overturned governments, debt defaults, inadequate tax revenue and epidemics. Economists tell us that there is a physics reason for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer during Crisis Periods; in some sense, the poor get “frozen out” and the wealth rises to the top, like steam.
Slide 9 is a chart I prepared several years ago, showing the growth in the world production of fuels of various types. What little wind and solar was available at that time was included in the biofuels section at the bottom. Early biofuels consisted largely of wood and charcoal used for heat.
Slide 10 shows average annual increases for 10-year periods corresponding to the periods shown on Slide 9. This chart goes to 2020, so it covers a full 200-year period. Note that the increases in energy consumption shown are especially high in the 1951-1960 and 1961-1970 periods. These periods occurred after World War II when the economy was growing especially rapidly.
Slide 11 is similar to Slide 10, except I divide the bars into two pieces. The bottom, blue part corresponds to the amount that population grew, on average, during this ten-year period. Whatever is left over I have referred to as the amount available to increase the standard of living, shown in red. A person can see that when the overall growth in energy consumption is high, population tends to rise rapidly. With more energy, it is possible to feed and clothe larger families.
Slide 12 is like Slide 11, except that it is an area chart. I have also added some notes regarding what went wrong when energy consumption growth was low or negative. An early dip occurred at the time of the US Civil War. There was a very long, low period later that corresponded to the period of World War I, World War II and the Depression. The collapse of the central government of the Soviet Union occurred in 1991, so it is part of the 10-year period ended 2000. Most recently, we have encountered COVID shutdowns.
The peaks, on the other hand, tended to be good times. The period leading up to 1910 corresponded to the time of early electrification. The period after World War II was a period of growth and rebuilding. Most recently, China and its large coal resources helped pull the world economy forward. China’s coal supply stopped growing about 2013. I have written that we can no longer depend on China’s economy to pull the world economy forward. With recent rolling blackouts in China (mentioned in the next section), this is becoming more evident.
Without enough energy, the current period is beginning to look more and more like the period that included World War I and II and the Great Depression. Strange outcomes can occur when there basically are not enough resources to go around.
Slide 14 shows recent energy production. A person can see from this slide that wind and solar aren’t really ramping up very much. A major problem is caused by the fact that wind and solar are given the subsidy of “going first” and prices paid to other electricity producers are adjusted downward, to reflect the fact that their electricity is no longer needed by the grid. This approach tends to drive nuclear out of business because wholesale electricity rates tend to fall to very low levels, or become negative, when unneeded wind and solar are added. Nuclear power plants cannot easily shut down. Instead, the low prices tend to drive the nuclear power plants out of business. This is sad, because electricity from nuclear is far more stable, and thus more helpful to the grid, than electricity from wind or solar.
Fossil fuel producers need quite high energy prices for a variety of reasons. One of these reasons is simply because the easiest-to-extract resources were removed first. In recent years, producers have needed to move on to resources with a higher cost of extraction, thus raising their required selling prices. Wages of ordinary citizens haven’t kept up, making it hard for selling prices to rise sufficiently to cover the new higher costs.
Another issue is that fossil fuel energy prices need to cover far more than the cost of drilling the current well. Producers need to start to develop new areas to drill, years in advance of actually getting production from those sites. They need extra funds to work on these new sites.
Also, oil companies, especially, have historically paid high taxes. Besides regular income taxes, oil companies pay state taxes and royalty taxes. These taxes are a way of passing the “surplus energy” that is produced back to the rest of the economy, in the form of taxes. This is exactly the opposite of wind and solar that need subsidies of many kinds, especially the subsidy of “going first,” that drives other electricity providers out of business.
Prices for oil, coal and natural gas have been far lower than producers need, for a long time. The COVID shutdowns in 2020 made the problem worse. Now, with producers quitting at the same time the economy is trying to reopen, it is not surprising that some prices are spiking.
Most local US papers don’t tell much about world energy prices, but these are increasingly becoming a big problem. Natural gas is expensive to ship and store, so prices vary greatly around the world. US natural gas prices have roughly doubled from a year ago, but this is a far lower increase than many other parts of the world are experiencing. In fact, the bills that most US natural gas residential customers will receive will increase by far less than 100% because at the historic low price, over half of the price for residential service is distribution expenses, and such expenses don’t change very much.
Slide 17 shows another way of looking at data that is similar to that in Slide 14. This slide shows amounts on a per capita basis, with groupings I have chosen. I think of coal and oil as being pretty much the only energy resources that can “stand on their own.” The recent peak year for combined coal and oil, on a per capita basis, was 2008.
Natural gas, nuclear, and hydroelectric were the first add-ons. If a person looks closely, it can be seen that the growth rate of this group has slowed, at least in part because of the pricing problems caused by wind and solar.
The “green” sources at the bottom are growing, but from a very low base. The main reason for their growth is the subsidies they receive. If fossil fuels falter in any major way, it will adversely affect the growth of wind and solar. Already, there are articles about supply chain problems for the big wind turbines. Any cutback in subsidies is also harmful to their production.
US papers don’t tell us much about these problems, but they are getting to be very serious problems in other parts of the world. The countries with the biggest problems are the ones trying to import natural gas or coal. If an exporting country finds its own production falling short, it is likely to make certain that its own citizens are adequately supplied first, before providing exports to others. Thus, importing countries may find very high prices, or supplies simply not available.
This slide got a lot of laughs. The university does have some sort of agricultural plot, but teaching subsistence farming is not its goal.
My point about “scientists who are not pressured by the need for research grants or acceptance of written papers are the ones trying to tell the whole truth” got quite a few laughs. As a practical matter, this means that retired scientists tend to be disproportionately involved in trying to discern the truth.
With the military understanding the need to work around energy limits, one change has been to move away from preparation for “hot wars” to more interest in biological weapons, such as viruses. Thus, governments of many countries, including the United States, Canada, France, Italy, Australia and China, have funded research on making viruses more virulent. The vaccine-making industry also supported this effort because it might enhance the industry’s ability to make and sell more vaccines. It was believed that there might even be new techniques that would develop from this new technology that would increase the overall revenue generated by the healthcare industry.
Questions came up, both during the talk and later, about what other changes have taken place because of the need for much of the audience to hear a story with a happily ever after ending, and because of the known likely decline of the economy for physics reasons. Clearly one thing that happens is successful entrepreneurs, such as Elon Musk, aim their production in areas where subsidies will be available. With fossil fuel production not making money, fossil fuel producers are even willing to undertake renewable projects if subsidies seem to be high enough. The issue isn’t really, “What is sustainable?” It is much more, “Where will the profits be, given where subsidies will be, and what people are being taught about how to perceive today’s problems?”
In fact, what has been happening in recent years is that a great deal of debt has been added to the world economy. Mostly, this added debt seems to be creating added inflation. It definitely is not leading to the rapid extraction of a great deal more fossil fuels, which is what really would allow the production of more goods and services. If inflation leads to higher interest rates, this, by itself, could destabilize the financial system.
I tried to explain, as I have in the past, how a self-organizing economy works. New citizens are born, and old ones pass away. New businesses are formed, and they add new products, keeping in mind what products citizens want and can afford. Governments add laws and taxes, as situations change. Energy is needed at every step in production, so availability of inexpensive energy is important in the operation of the economy, as well. There are equivalences, such as employees tend also to be customers. If the wages of employees are high, they can afford to buy many goods and services; if wages are low, employees will be very restricted in what they can afford.
In some sense, the economy is hollow inside, because the economy will stop manufacturing unneeded products. If an economy starts making cars, for example, it will phase out products associated with transportation using horse and buggy.
A self-organizing economy clearly does not operate in the simple way economists seem to model the economy. Low prices can be just as big a problem as high prices, for example.
Another issue is that the energy needs of an economy seem to depend on its population and how far it has already been built up. For example, roads, bridges, water distribution pipelines and electricity transmission infrastructure must all be maintained, even if the population falls. We know humans need something like 2000 calories a day of food. Economies seem to have a similar constant need for energy, based on both the number of people in the economy and the amount of infrastructure that has been built up. There is no way to cut back very much, without the economy collapsing.
I am not exactly certain when the first discussion of the economy as a dissipative structure (self-organizing system powered by energy) started. When I prepared this slide, I was thinking that perhaps it was in 1996, when Yoshinori Shizoawa wrote a paper called Economy as a Dissipative Structure. However, when I did a search today, I encountered an earlier paper by Robert Ayres, written in 1988, also discussing the economy as a dissipative structure. So, the idea has been around for a very long time. But getting ideas from one part of academia to other parts of academia seems to be a very slow process.
Debt cannot grow indefinitely, either, because there needs to be a way for it to be paid back in a way that produces real goods and services. Without adequate energy supplies, it becomes impossible to produce the goods and services that consumers need.
Attendees asked about earlier posts that might be helpful in understanding our current predicament. This is the list I provided:
Humans Left Sustainability Behind as Hunter Gatherers – Dec. 2, 2020
How the World’s Energy Problem Has Been Hidden – June 21, 2021
Energy Is the Economy; Shrinkage in Energy Supply Leads to Conflict – Nov. 9, 2020
Why a Great Reset Based on Green Energy Isn’t Possible – July 17, 2020
The “Wind and Solar Will Save Us” Delusion – Jan. 30, 2017
For as much reading on the subject, am I missing something or is Miles Mathis teasing out a thread that a relevant detail? TIA to any response that clarifies. He says in a recent two-pager against child vaccination:
“Almost no one is noticing that the vaccine approved for children is Pfizer’s Biontech vaccine, which IS NOT fully approved for adults. So how can it be approved for children? Remember, the FDA
approved Pfizer’s new Cominarty vaccine for adults, not the Biontech vaccine—and the Comirnaty
vaccine doesn’t really exist. You will tell me the approval for children is just emergency use approval, but that is illegal since the government is not allowed to approve an emergency use vaccine when a normal use approval has been granted. If Cominarty is the same as Biontech, why not fully approve Comirnaty for children, as it is for adults? It makes no sense. You will say it is because Comirnaty hasn’t hit the market yet, but if so that proves two things: there is no full approval of any existing vaccine, and the whole announcement was nothing more than a fraud.
Most people think the vaccine for adults has full approval, but they have been conned. The vaccine they are getting is Biontech, which does not have full approval and which has no legal backing. Pfizer is still exempt from all lawsuits, with both children and adults. Beyond that, we are now finding out the Pfizer vaccine for children is NEITHER Biontech nor Comirnaty, since its list of ingredients is admitted to be different than either one by the CDC and FDA.
A vaccine is defined by its list of ingredients, and if that list changes it is no longer the same vaccine, by definition. They have added an important new ingredient, that being an anti-heart-attack blood thinner Tromethamine, to combat blood clotting. So the vaccine for children is even more dangerous than the vaccine adults have been taking, with an extra poison in it. If your children get the vaccine, they will be shot up not only with dangerous and untested mRNA technology spike proteins and graphene adjuvants, they will at the same time be shot up with heart-attack drugs originally created for old people and untested on five year olds. Five year olds don’t normally get heart attacks, do they, so there would be no reason to have previously tested Tromethamine on them.
Another problem just being noticed is that the vaccine and Tromethamine…..
http://mileswmathis.com/vaxx2.pdf
Comirnaty hasn’t hit the market yet, but if so that proves two things: there is no full approval of any existing vaccine, and the whole announcement was nothing more than a fraud.
When I was harassing the chemist … he showed me a vial of the Pfizer… it actually was labelled Comirnaty…. I had thought that was not available….
Corminaty is available worldwide except USA (plus some other countries perhaps Russia, China, etc)
CTG, one question:
I knew that Cominarty is the name of anti Covid vaccine from Pfizer in Europe and I know that in the Unites States are using Pfizer vaccine (the same formulation used in Europe).
But if you say so, what would be the name of Pfizer vaccine in US ?
The quote omits this part, which I found concerning:
I am not certain in what all ways “things went south” for Brazil’s President Bolsonaro, but I notice that he is unvaccinated and has been accused of “crimes against humanity.”
Also Europe itself is targeting Bolsonaro, Gentiloni has just declared that European markets will be closed for those who consume forest and he is surely referring to Brasil.
https://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/articoli/ambiente-commissario-economia-paolo-gentiloni-su-twitter-chi-consuma-foreste-non-avra-accesso-mercato-unico-unione-europea-18dec825-d03d-4c4c-9dc2-5ffd27bd1078.html
Maybe the “pandemic” is nothing more than cover for looting and asset grabbing, Gail.
Nurse Tells Why She’s Refusing COVID Shot, Not Letting Her Kids Get It Either
Fox 8 reported:
Most people in Connecticut who are eligible have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 — which is just over 70%. But there are still thousands who refuse to get the vaccine.
One is a registered nurse, who despite having seen the ravages of COVID-19 firsthand, refuses to get the vaccine. Camile, who did not provide her last name, is a registered nurse at a major Connecticut hospital and worked in the COVID ward.
“I feel just everything was rushed. I don’t feel there is enough evidence to make an educated decision on if the vaccine is safe and effective,” Camile said.
https://fox8.com/news/nurse-tells-why-shes-refusing-covid-shot-not-letting-her-kids-get-it-either/
Connecticut Nursing Home COVID Outbreak Results in 89 Infected, 8 Dead
ABC News reported:
A nursing home in Connecticut is recovering from a significant coronavirus outbreak, after 89 residents and staff tested positive for the virus, facility leadership reported Monday.
At Geer Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in North Canaan, Connecticut, eight residents with “serious underlying health issues” died as a result of the outbreak, nursing home leadership said in a statement. They said 78 residents and staff have since recovered since testing positive, and there are now only three active cases within the community of individuals living within the nursing home.
Facility leaders said 87 of the 89 infected residents and staff were fully vaccinated, so leaders are “obviously concerned we experienced some level of waning immunity.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/connecticut-nursing-home-covid-19-outbreak-results-89/story?id=81188171
Waning immunity?
‘We are concerned that we are experiencing some level of people with screwed up immune systems’ would be more accurate, surely?
The therapies never conferred immunity in the first place, merely repression of symptoms – as we were quite honestly told at the beginning, although few paid attention to what was said and mere grabbed them in desperation and fear.
The idea that boosters will confer immunity, as repeated globally by politicians, is of course an outright lie.
The Vaccines are Vaccines – LIE
Note that “87 of the 89 infected residents and staff were fully vaccinated.” The protection wasn’t very good if 8 residents (and presumably no staff members) died from this round. We don’t know exactly how many residents caught COVID, but the number of deaths is up around 10% of those who caught COVID. I am not sure how that compares to pre-vaccine death rates of people actually in nursing homes.
I have found something interesting.
DOCTOR TRACKS THE CHANGES IN BLOOD ANALYSIS OF ONE OF HIS PATIENTS PRE AND POST VACCINE.
https://www.brighteon.com/d0b119e8-6c42-4bc3-9e32-d6d37b1ff769
I agree that looking at a sample of n = 1 is interesting, taken immediately after injection.
Ideally, though, a person would like a bigger sample, followed for a longer period, written up as a peer-reviewed article.
hey mike – ireland deaths are up big time too
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/
New Post
Booster Doses are Extremely Dangerous and They Will Make Everything Worse
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/booster-doses-are-extremely-dangerous
I think that the best way to understand what’s going on after the third dose is to analyze what is happening in /srael.
The percentage of people with third dose there should be high now.
They started the roll-out in September.
Maybe someone could have a look on that.
Many thanks in advance
I think the issue is that during the period immediately after the booster, people are usually vulnerable to catching a silent case of COVID and passing it around. Thus, there is a big spike in cases at the time the booster shots are given. Those getting the boosters are not aware of this problem and inadvertently raise the COVID rate.
Israel shows such a big spike, but it would take some analysis to figure out how much of it occurred before the booster shots started and how much came later. Israel’s rate is low now.
Thank you Gail for this explanation
Thank you Gail for your explanation.
“Germany hits panic button – Merkel to follow Austria and lock down 14 million”
Germany is planning on locking down 14 million unvaccinated citizens in a bid to tackle increasing case numbers, reports the Express. In the piece, Toby comments: “Given its history, I hoped Germany would be a bit more inhibited about curtailing the rights of a part of its population on the grounds that they’re dangerous and unclean. But apparently not.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1522446/covid-news-Germany-angela-Merkel-lockdown-unvaccinated
Or, does Germany have an energy problem?
I’ve read that Germany has blocked certification of North Stream II.
At the same time the situation in Belarus is getting worst and also with Ukraine (expecially the part regarding russian speaking territories which are experiencing bad treatment from ukranian government).
So maybe Germany is also responding to a temporary future ‘no-gas period’ during which is obviously necessary to freeze every activity (or almost all activity).
https://www.corriere.it/esteri/21_novembre_17/germania-blocca-nord-stream-2-l-europa-col-fiato-sospeso-le-forniture-gas-1eb9f4d4-479c-11ec-8bc9-3ede90e62115.shtml
https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2021/11/17/crisi-migranti-la-bielorussia-chiude-loleodotto-verso-la-polonia-per-manutenzione-pochi-giorni-fa-la-minaccia-del-presidente-lukashenko/6395488/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-11/u-s-warns-europe-that-russian-troops-may-plan-ukraine-invasion
About Germany and energy situation (in particular gas), we should not forget that its armed forces published in 2010 this study which was focused on future scarse resources and gas as a fundamental energy for a ‘transition’ period.
So, now that the geopolitical situation is very negative, maybe Germany is ‘closing’ the society… and Europe must follows.
https://cdn.permaculturenews.org/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf
That said — the author of that piece… is double vaxxed…. might want to look in the mirror to see stooopid
There are many willing pawns in this game of soft totalitarianism, but why do so many of them have to be so dumb? You see them with mask on chin puffing on a cigarette; cycling along the street with mask but no helmet; obese people masked up, oblivious of the fact that if they lost weight they would have better protection against serious illness than they would by covering their faces.
The least generous interpretation would be that most people are stupid.
https://dailysceptic.org/postcard-from-luxembourg-2/
YES!!!
That’s right, I did not claim that. By the way, perhaps you ought to look those graphs again and see if you notice anything about what was happening with deaths the last time that infections were as high as they are now. What do you think might have caused that difference? However, I don’t really expect you to do much research on the constant stream of garbage you put out on Gail’s blog. Nor do I expect you to change your mind on anything, in the face of counter evidence. Your name for such a person is what?
The AI they are deploying now is getting pretty good. Notice “Mike’s” response is nothing but complete obfuscation.
I am noticing these “sudden death” notices are becoming very common now.
I don’t know about Mike, but I got stalked by a bot who responded to something I wrote on a blog, totally off-subject, literally in seconds, but as if it had done a crawl-profile of my interest in Earth cataclysms. I asked it to give me an assessment of the Axis-Tilt website I like and signed-off “bot-to-bot”. No reply so far. Sparring with bots is weird. Like we’re in Escape from New York.
The 3 stooges serve an extremely useful purpose….
They are indicative of the MOREONS… but with the MOREONS if you try to explain things to them they get angry and will refuse to listen…
But with the stooges we have a captive audience… they could leave but they don’t … day after day we bombard them with facts and logic … and they are seeing these posts…
Yet does that awaken them? Nope…
Even if one of them blew a gasket after a Booster… they’d still refuse to see.
This demonstrates the utter futility of trying to turn a CovIDIOT… it’s simply not possible.
Once a CovIDIOT … always a CovIDIOT… No point in wasting time on them.
I have been engaging with a CovIDIOT on whatsapp… he had been urging me to get vaxxed… of course when the CDC admitted the vax doesn’t stop people from getting Covid I made him very much aware of that… his response was expected – it will stop me from dying…
I showed him the stats that indicate the average age of death is 82 with 4 comorbidities… very few people who are healthy are dying …
Nope – I still need to get injected cuz I could die…
This week now that we are getting data out of highly vaxxed countries showing huge spikes in infections and deaths… I am passing those visuals along …
Along with info on the hundreds of Pfizer damaged athletes…
The conclusions are:
– the vaccines are dangerous
– the vaccines don’t stop you from getting covid
– the vaccines dont stop you from dying from covid
His response? Silence. Not sure what he is thinking … he probably is not thinking … his defence mechanisms have put him catatonic state… when faced with irrefutable proof that he is WRONG… he just shuts down…
And he waits for Fauci to rescue him with more feeble excuses that he can lamely try to use to argue with the FACTS.
Covid-19 will ‘crop up’ all around New Zealand once Auckland’s border opens – experts
“Where these cases land in highly-vaccinated communities, it’s likely the virus will hit a dead end and fizzle out. But cases that find their way into under-vaccinated communities will be able to spark serious outbreaks.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-virus-will-crop-up-all-around-new-zealand-once-aucklands-border-opens-experts/MVBH3EYPCWAR3AAEOJCD5SA5OM/
Now that… is PRICELESS!!!
They obviously know that is a lie … because they know the vaccines do nothing to stop the spread of covid.
Looking like Christmas and New Years will be fascinating. Maybe NZ can be the first to see Devil Covid?
“under vaccinated”?
What happened to “fully vaccinated” and will the”fully vaccinated” notice that yet again the goal posts have been moved?
Just a couple of weeks to flatten the curve, remember?
And the vaccine will stop you from getting covid… right norm?
The Government has offered assurances that police will be ready and able to help businesses enforce vaccine pass use, saying officers “know what’s coming”.
Vaccine certificates – called My Vaccine Pass – went live this morning, and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced this afternoon the traffic light system would take effect nationwide shortly after the November 29 Cabinet meeting.
The Auckland regional boundary would also be lowered for vaccinated or tested people about two weeks later, on December 15.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/police-will-certainly-be-there-vaccine-pass-enforcement-hipkins
Auckland is experiencing record infections …. wonder what’s gonna happen when they let them out of their cage… of course many of the MOREONS here still believe the injection stops you from spreading and contracting Covid…
I can live without the flu … so better to be separated from these Diseased Moreons… I may have to shut down our Airbnb residence… we don’t want to be around Vermin…
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/austrian-police-patrol-shops-highways-hunting-unvaxxd
Theodore Millon, professor of psychiatry at Harvard University, described a personality disorder featuring puritanical compulsion, whereby the world is divided into good and evil with no middle ground.
With fanatical zeal, the self-declared good cannot bear to be in the company of the bad, which is why extreme cults take refuge outside normal society. Common to cults is a belief that humanity is in grave danger, and we can see this thinking in the more devout believers in climate change and Covid crises.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/fanatical-followers-of-the-covid-regime-a-jim-jones-style-cult/
Different people have different views of what is good and what is evil, however.
That’s just what an evil person would say.
That’s just what a naive person would say.
Canadian cardiologist Sohrab Lutchmedial died in his sleep after his third injection of the vaccine. Aged 52, this sprightly hockey coach had frequently attacked ‘anti-vaxxers’ on Twitter, saying ‘I want to punch these people in the face’ and tweeting: ‘For those who won’t get the shot for selfish means – whatever – I won’t cry at their funeral.’
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/fanatical-followers-of-the-covid-regime-a-jim-jones-style-cult/
from the comment section:
“The quacksine cult is part of the cult of darwinism. Charles Darwin argued that there was mutations that led to evolution. Hence the convidians will readily believe that “the virus” mutates as it evovles. A new “strain” had appeared from bats and other such nonsense. This is like how Edward Jenner thought pigs and horses carried milder forms of smallpox and the Nazis thought Africans were closer to zoo animals than they were to white men. It is the ideology that led to Nazism and disgenics. The second world war was on a much larger scale than Jim Jones’s followers drinking the cool aid and so too has been the dosing of millions of children with dozens of quacksines. The darwinists and the convidians are one and the same. A delusional anti-science cult that believes in the doctrin because they hate creation. It must be so because they do not wish to entertain other perspectives. That life is something more than star dust accidentaly mutating. They will not debate, question or study. They are as is were like a brick wall. Impeneterable and without reason.”
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On November 9, the Manchester Evening News reported the tragic story of Neil Astle, a 59-year-old solicitor, who died from a blood clot in the brain soon after his first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine.
The coroner, attributing death to the injection, asserted that this was an ‘extremely rare’ consequence, and praised the family for promoting vaccination despite their loss. Mr Astle’s brother said: ‘I think everybody in this country should have the vaccine. I had the vaccine even after Neil died.’
Mr Astle’s widow, whose first sign of something wrong was her husband’s severe headache, remarked that ‘the vaccine never even entered our minds because it was nine days after’.
This appears to be a case arising from microcoagulation, whereby small clots in peripheral blood vessels gradually grow like a snowball, eventually blocking a critical artery.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/fanatical-followers-of-the-covid-regime-a-jim-jones-style-cult/
Another example of extreme stupidity.
No connection made between the vaxx and death because nine days had elapsed; still supporters of the vaxx; and relations went ahead and got vaxxed even after the death!
But I suggest that Dr Death the coroner praising them for being so pro-vaxx just takes the biscuit.
This is mass psychosis.
We, the sane and informed, will be done away with by clueless idiots, who don’t even have the excuse of having been bribed or coerced…..
https://youtu.be/9x2ieHuj8zU
11 minute mark or so … he discusses the legal action … who has the power to order the world’s most high profile cardiology journal to pull his paper down?
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/dr-mccullough-sues-medical-journal-for-refusing-to-publish-papers-showing-covid-shot-risks-in-children/
According to the write-up:
Elsevier is the company that produces the journal. They also sell software. Our university uses a product called Pure that they sell:
https://www.elsevier.com/solutions/pure
The world’s leading Research Information Management System
could be an algorithm – if it has some kind of prioritization to help cloak it one might think we could spot it elsewhere at lower-levels (more petty-tyrant stuff) of obscuring our view – for instance – it seems VERY odd that this highly-relevant paper by Anthony Mawson (e-published in May 2021) – his MOST RECENT PAPER – would be “buried” to #29 of #42 on page 3 of 5 @ PUBMED
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=anthony%20mawson&page=3
Liver Damage and Exposure to Toxic Concentrations of Endogenous Retinoids in the Pathogenesis of COVID-19 Disease: Hypothesis.
Mawson AR, Croft AM, Gonzalez-Fernandez F.
Viral Immunol. 2021 Jul-Aug;34(6):376-379.
One wonders how far off immune exhaustion is given the situation in Germany… perhaps Germany hit the jack pot… one of the CovIDIOTS was infected with Covid and produced the first case of Devil Covid?
Or at least a far more deadly variant…
I am sure this is the sort of thing that GVB is expecting … it’s impossible to know the timing ….
Dr. Peter McCullough sues medical journal for refusing to publish study showing COVID shot risks for children
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/dr-mccullough-sues-medical-journal-for-refusing-to-publish-papers-showing-covid-shot-risks-in-children/
COVID shots lose efficacy after 1-3 months, boosters are ‘slippery slope,’ infectious disease specialist warns
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/university-of-toronto-doc-questions-covid-narrative-on-mainstream-radio/
Beat it to death with a baseball bat?
https://www.rnd.de/politik/glasgow-greta-thunberg-von-klimakonferenz-cop26-enttaeuscht-Y75GYAN7SGGK2KM3BL4G2WVRWA.html
Sanctions against those who do not want to vaccinate: Forced presentation by the police
However, it has not yet been determined when politicians can resort to mandatory vaccination as a last resort. Pestalozza therefore calls for legally established criteria on a medical basis so that all citizens can understand when a mandatory vaccination will be introduced. “The population needs to know what is coming and when.” Such a law could well end up before the Federal Constitutional Court. “But politicians shouldn’t sit back and relax in front of the Constitutional Court out of concern,” Pestalozza warns.
Jurist Pestalozza believes that sanctions are possible, such as fines and, in the case of repeated violations, high penalties. As a last step, foreclosure must also be considered. “That means that someone is brought before the vaccinator by the police,” says Pestalozza. In a democracy, however, it shouldn’t come to that. Rozek from the University of Leipzig also considers a forced screening to be “disproportionate”.
https://www.rnd.de/politik/impfpflicht-werden-ungeimpfte-bald-von-der-polizei-zum-impfarzt-gebracht-EWFGYQMUEFBXPAQZM5WQTK6ZUM.html
If anyone tries this … best to use the hack saw… it’s quite easy….
Facebook Science, with SciManDan:
John Titus is back. This is one person whom I listen to very, very carefully.
Yes, he’s worthwhile.
End of the rule of law. loss of sovereignty via financial and monetary revolution, and one might add the loss of all basic human rights – the ‘pandemic’ and CC being the pretext for the latter.
This is the witches brew they are cooking up for us.
Larry Fink, so ill-educated that he repeats ‘criseses’ or does he think it’s ‘crisises’. A star among our new rulers! Would he spell genocide a ‘jenoside’?
Thanks to Hubbs & Xabier for comments/link. I didn’t know Titus. This video really excellent!
People who actually work with science dont worship science figures. They know that science figure is a Ahole with a big ego just like they have. We have our own weaknesses. Our penchant for mistaking mathematical models adopted for convenience to be reality it omost as bad as believing the things known as words are reality not a model. But we really believe weve got things figured out.
People who dont work with science believe the guy in the white robe which has become a lab coat. They dont want to understand how stuff works. Its magic. If you need more magic you get more money. The wizard in white will provide it. Im just starting to understand that they are just as proud of their way of making decisions as any engineer. Trusting the wizard has been very good to them.
Take one of the more minor facts we have that is not disputed. The injections dont stop infection or transmission of the virus. Everyone knows that right? NOT. They dont care how the magic works. That detail desecrates the magic itself to their mind however. Try to discuss that detail with someone injected. Its like pulling a jaguars tail because even that little bit sets the cognitive dissonance off bigtime. The cognitive dissonance is already sore and irritated and you are bumping it.
There is not going to be a great awakening. If someone had a large tattoo of Elvis and you say Elvis sucks what happens? They have put a injection into their body two or three times. If thats not a equivalent of a Elvis tattoo I dont know what is. In order for them to say Elvis sucks they have to
1. deal with their cognitive dissonance- their model is wrong
2. deal with their ego- they believed in the tooth fairy and it turns out she stole the bedsheets
3 renounce the tooth fairy
4 deal with the damage
Not going to happen.
When the torches get lit their not coming for them. Their coming for the creatures that cause cognitive dissonance pain.
Its getting dicey. You can see it right here on this forum and this is a wildlife sanctuary. We think were the snarkiest snark to ever rope a blog but we are the tiniest of tiny minorities. Its going to get worse. Much much worse. Open season on snarks. $25 paid for every snark hide.
We are definitely seeing the problem here on Our Finite World. I am letting through fewer comments, just because the conflict is getting too great.
The situation may indeed get much worse. Some places will be worse than others. There will get to be conflict among family members, which gets to be a problem. I am afraid that some will need to give in, to keep peace in the family.
“I am afraid that some will need to give in, to keep peace in the family.”
Already 90% of the population has given in. Even the unvaxd are mostly nice to their families that have turned into totalitarian aholes.
Just like in Nazi Germany, people will ask how did we let this happen. The answer is simple – being nice was most important for the good people than holding to their principles.
BTW Gail, can you tell me when I am allowed to call totalitarian posters “good Germans”? They already support censorship and segregation.
Will it be when they support concentration camps? Genocide? Just give me some idea.
Thank you.
I don’t see there being any questions about how this could have happened… the dead do not ask questions.
Keep Calm … and Hang ’em High
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WHY has almost every one gone so far off the subject of Gails post? It didn’t start out about COVID, it was suppose to be about “our fossil fuel energy predicument”.
The main problem I see with our energy predicument is that we fed OUR GROWTH on a temporary fossil resource, now at 8 BILLION HUMANS there is no way we could even FEED ourselves without those fossil RESOURCES.
There is no escape, there is no “solution” there is only collapse & mega death ahead for us, not a “green new deal” that is also TIED TO OIL!
Party like it’s 1999 but keep it clean & green.
Peak oil is old news… bor-iung….
We’re discussing the End of the World now…. you need to update your programming.
That’s why Gail should have an Open Post on occasion.
/\ he’s the reason
(Eddy, not Rodster)
Think there’s any money in letting all these guys know about it?
https://www.worldenergynews.com/
We could jet-around like a mobile mini-Davos and do slide-shows. We’ll need an inside-man to do stock-trading in advance. You do have your E-Bay vaxx-pass right?
I predict all 8 billion of us will die in the next 100 years.
Well, in my local paper, the obit column listed two people in one nearby town who died yesterday at ages 105 and 106, respectively.
But I admit that recent stable economic conditions and good food and medical conditions have made it substantially easier to pass one’s first century of late, and that those supportive conditions are unlikely to pertain for much longer.
Correct Sheila, There is a good reason why most of the decent posters from years past don’t bother with this site any more. It’s the lack of informed discussion about the main topic of the human predicament, or should I say the predicament of modern civilization.
There is no going back to the 1960’s standard of living, nor the 16th century standard of living when the coll.apse comes. We now have 8 billion that will be fighting for the remaining resources, that probably includes every standing tree for fuel.
The world’s trees were in trouble during the 17th century in the developed parts because a few hundred million wanted to use charcoal, we will have the same problem with less trees and 10 times the number of people.
The world will be a very different place in 100 years, yet we have people here that just want to discuss something totally off topic that they can’t do anything about. I’m sure there are a lot of covid or consp.iracy sites out there where people could go, but they are allowed to peddle their rubbish here, to the detriment of getting Gail’s excellent work out to more people.
A couple of people that I’ve pointed to Our Finite World to show the predicament we are in, have come back to me about the site being full of nutters and conspir.acy theorists, so dismiss the whole message. I don’t bother trying to get people to read here anymore because of this.
Gail, in prior years you have discouraged discussion on Klimate change, because it detracted from the main topic, so why do you allow all this covid, vaccine, and cons.piracy stuff that just detracts from your work??
Hideaway, the mountains around my way are overgrown with trees and overrun with deer, boar, bears and monkeys.
Twenty years ago, people grew rice and vegetables in fields that had no fences, because there was not enough wildlife to damage it.
These days, everything is fenced. First people tried electrified wires, but after a while the boar learned to enter the fields rear-end first and the dear learned to jump over them. Now it is steel mesh fencing anything between 1.5 and 2 meters tall. Keeps most of the critters out most of the time.
Before WW2, there were subsistence famers who cultivated every inch of available space in these mountains, leaving only the upper slopes and top ridges tree covered and utilizing that forest for firewood and wild mushrooms. After WW2, the remaining hardwood forests were turned into charcoal, which was sold as a fuel for heating and cooking, and then conifers were planted all over the place. This was under a government plan to “monetize” the mountains for future generations.
The problem was that imported timber was cheaper and harvesting on mountainsides is labor-intensive, and so those forests were often abandoned. And after 30 or 40 years, the trees would often fall like dominos on the slopes, or entire slopes would collapse in summer rains or winter snows due to the weight of the things.
So now we have some messy mountains and a lot of abandoned farmland that has gone back to nature, providing more habitat for all sorts of plants and animals.
The human population in my rural “town” was 15,000 in the 1950s and is below 4,000 now, and over half of them are over 65-years old. There are probably more deer now than people. Whereas most old people here tell me they never saw a deer roaming free prior to 20 years ago.
Deer and boar are both prolific breeders with a fertility rate of around 1.4% per year. So they can double their numbers every three years. As for the smaller shy woodland creatures, well, they breed like rabbits.
Human numbers are declining steadily in rural Japan. The government officially laments this, but in essence encourages it as it is in line with those SDG goals of having people living in towns and keeping the countryside for … not for the cuddly animals surly? No, the countryside is being freed up for governments, corporations and the super-wealthy to do with as they see fit. A golf course here. A solar panel farm there. A safari park behind that. A landing strip and hangers for Lear jets over there …..
Which is exactly why investment vehicles dedicated to natural resources have just been created.
To protect them? Of course not.
No collecting rainwater for the veg garden, or yourself, because X Eco-Corp will have bought it all up.
A couple of people that I’ve pointed to Our Finite World to show the predicament we are in, have come back to me about the site being full of nutters and conspir.acy theorists, so dismiss the whole message. I don’t bother trying to get people to read here anymore because of this.
It is sad for you that your virtue signaling hasn’t panned out. But the people who dismissed the whole message wouldn’t have enjoyed being here. And if by some chance you could have brought a bunch over and filled the site with comments from people like them, then we nutters and conspir.acy theorists would have to move out and we wouldn’t have anywhere else to go. Whereas there are plenty of other sites for people like them.
Hideaway, why do you want to make us homeless? Why are you so intent on “cancelling” us? Does it bother you so much that we exist at all? Is it because we refuse to use people’s preferred personal pronouns, or what?
We got vials!
Ever wonder what you are getting injected with? We did too. So we finally got some vials. Now it’s over the river and through the woods, to the Lab we go!
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/we-got-vials
“The world will be a very different place in 100 years, yet we have people here that just want to discuss something totally off topic that they can’t do anything about. ”
Can politicians do anything about the limits to growth? No.
Can politicians focus on a made up Black Death 2 and look like they are doing something? Yes.
Focus on Scam-19 is very much on topic!
Post collapse, the trees in remote locations will be just fine, cause there aren’t any draft horses or mules with rigging gear to pull them out and haul them. I can tell you haven’t Dragged logs around. The energy required to do this is significant. In the old days, when they decimated the forests, they had solar powered horses and mules to do it with. Those do not exist anymore. People require food where horses and mules eat solar powered grass. People will die off before they haul huge trees out.
I can also tell you that there are so few people who cut trees manually with saws that post collapse, no one will be cutting them manually. They only know how to cut them with chainsaws….and those will not operate post collapse.
Good points, except I am wondering if given some time, people will figure out how to cut down at least the smaller trees in the remote locations. People will move to these remote locations, for one thing, making them less remote.
Yes! and this is a key test of the FE Challenge…
Walk one km from your doomie house… bring and an axe and a saw … cut a tree down … try dragging it back to your house… when you get tired stop and cut the tree into smaller pieces then drag the pieces back to your house… then cut and split the wood
Report back doomie preppers!
Another fun one involves washing and drying clothes without using electricity.. try that in the middle of winter.
And eat only what you grow or kill… and btw … when you start shooting animals on a regular basis you’ll notice that the animals will stay well clear of where you live… so the only way to shoot them is to make long trips into the bush…. but you’ll be too busy chopping wood washing and gardening to go in search of animals….
A word to the wise,Mike. If you want the COVID-19 story to die, you can stop commenting on it. And talk about something else if you like. Each time you mention it, the story goes on. Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more squire.
Give him credit. He is a bot
“WHY has almost every one gone so far off the subject of Gails post?”
Have we? IMO Scam-19 is very much on topic; a symptom of our finite world if you ever saw one …
Seems to me Gail recognizes the covid phenomenon as part of the current self-organizing reaction to environmental and energetical stressors. If this were an earlier, less technological time, we’d be throwing our children into volcanoes instead of injecting them with an irrevocably toxic gene-therapy product.
Yes Lidia17. And if this were a less earlier time, let’s say middle age, humans would have started wars among kingdoms and population would ‘naturally’ come back to a more manageable number.
But the impression is that this time powers have decided to directly affect on the number of people through a v/rus (stopping its treatment) plus a mass injection, than through a war.
Maybe this is the best way to protect great financial capitals to change owners.
Yes, Student, that looks to be the case: essential infrastructure preserved, excess humans deleted, the survivors imprisoned and brain-washed.
None of the waste and mess of war, and all presented as inevitable, and disguised as ‘protecting’ the masses. – from CC and Covid, etc.
The full CBDC-UBI-ESG system will be in place by the end of 2024, as far as one can tell from their ‘predictions and forecasts’.
It’s debatable whether life will be worth living then, for those who can recall normality. Much like the Soviet Union in the 1920’s and 30’s, or Germany in the 1930’s.
The young will have been fully immersed in propaganda and behavioural modification, and will have mostly adapted. Hence the terrible treatment of school children over the last 2 years.
It makes one’s blood run cold.
“The young will have been fully immersed in propaganda and behavioural modification, and will have mostly adapted”
Are you suggesting something will become different than the past?
How else should a sorry bunch of rapacious primates be somewhat content and “happy” in life? Yes it schucks for the few that have a reasonably working Ethos, Logos and Pathos. For most people there are malfunctions going from light to severe, so they “need” the guiding hand from the archaic regions of the brain.
With the guiding hand kindly provided by the narrative peddlers suggesting to “feel” something which on closer examination is completely absurd. The triggering usually goes something like this:
1. Se>< (reptilian)
2. Status (primate/mammalian)
3. Food (reptilian)
4. Hopiates (neocortex)
They can be further broken down into sub categories and then turned into smoke and mirrors before shoved out through society, or the usual suspects in MSM, or covert schmucks on the internet.
Truth is; they wouldn’t know inside from out without it. In their life the prima causa of evolution and the universe is just too appalling. Obviously the oblivious archaic regions (of the brain) can provide all the “meaning” they crave while keeping the “machinery” chugging along.
As conditions worse, more “meaning” will be shoved out. In the limit there will be extreme polarization and extremism. Which sort of helps when dividing and conquering.
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Isn’t the big difference between now and the past the scale of the down-sizing required? Getting rid of a few % of the population will no longer suffice. We are moving from peak fossil fuels to no fossil fuels (why COP26 was a sham). We have to (will) get from 8,000 M to less than 80 million PDQ. It will be an ongoing process of constantly reducing the numbers (thank you vaxxed), and enslaving the survivors. That is the plan. Whether or not it is achievable, that is another matter.
Right!
Great thread, thanks.
Student – maybe the virus and vax is a construct intended to free up assets held by the oldsters to keep BAU running just a bit longer…
Good point!
Anyone but a MOREON would understand that Covid IS THE F789ing STORY.
Sheila – do you want to be lumped in with the MOREONS? Do you want to hang out with burned out old men who swap blow up dolls?
Well that’s what your future holds if you do not get your shit together.
I’ll give you some time to gather your thoughts and Do the Right Thing.
Covid is the method. The story is post peak energy.
Fast Eddy is quite chuffed to see that post was approved by the Censors 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL6JoP0KCoo
Mercy Now
Mary Gauthier
He doesn’t focus on anything. Have you not noticed that he uses Gail’s blog to post his constant stream of jumbled thinking, usually posting garbled comments, anything that comes to his … mind. And this is after Gail has deleted what she thinks is probably the largest number of comments by a single poster. So he wastes the time of his host, as well as others, but his host doesn’t seem to mind. It’s up to her, of course. To stop wasting time of others, I suggest others delete the notifications of his posts. I do delete most of the them without reading but occasionally see something (it’s hard to keep one’s eyes closed while deleting) feel compelled to correct his ramblings in the hope that some of his hangers on might realise he’s not worth following. Sadly, there doesn’t seem to be much basis for my hope though it’s good that you realise that he really could do better, so maybe …
Mike, FE doe not have any ‘hangers-on’ or fan club or anything of the sort.
We are witnessing a massive crime, an man here have caught on to that plain fact.
Quite tragically, his posts on vaxx deaths and injuries give an accurate picture of this.
It is amusing to think of you squinting while deleting the contaminating posts, while you so tamely accept official figures and interpretations.
The Core is the The Core. The 3 stooges … are the 3 stooges…
That is reality
Mike.. come on.. tell us a joke.. CTG the teenager who knows what f789 is
poor mike… everyone is picking on him hahahahahahaah…
hey mike … now that I have slept on it … and it was a very good sleep thank you … I do recall you saying that the vaccines prevent death… so you will need to explain why all those countries including Germany are experiencing big death spikes from Covid…
Or will you leave us hanging … like you always do… and pretend this question did not happen
Decode this for us .. mike is a M ______
Fast Eddy’s mind does not work like that…. HE likes to work in Bursts of Madness… like a machine gun…. ratatatatatatat…
+ Fast Eddy is trying to support OFW by busting through the 5000 comments mark… so sometimes HE just drops stuff for the sake of dropping … kinda like how a dog will piss all over the place to stake out his territory — he doesn’t really need to take a piss but he does… it’s like that but rather different… ignore those
Fast Eddy could reduce his ratio — but then that would just mean more ratio from mike and norm… and that might leave and opening for Sheila’s book club friends…. they might come to OFW … not see anything from FE and start pumping out banalities…
Nobody wants that…. nobody ….
End of the day … when people wake up … and see that FE has been on the stone all day long … and dumped 50… even 100 comments… doesn’t it feel like Christmas? You know — you see all those gifts.. with your name on them… and you can’t wait to see what’s inside?
Merry Christmas. Happy New Year.
we only have to shake the box to know whats inside
Check out FE in action
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No, I won’t.
Notice how HE fires in short bursts … never more than a few seconds… the reason for that is to prevent the barrel from overheating ….
Thanks for sharing sheila!
‘ There is no escape, there is no “solution” there is only collapse & mega death ahead for us, not a “green new deal” that is also TIED TO OIL! ‘
That is a pretty good summary Sheila, except that TPTB reckon they do have a solution, and it is being implemented now. Universal application of a vaxx, or as near as universal as propaganda, gullibility and enforcement (no jab, no job) can take it. Backed up with CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency).
And it is right at the root of Gail’s post. If cheap and plentiful fossil fuels are no longer available, deal with demand rather than supplies. It might take another year or several, but demand is going to fall bigtime. Of course, anything resembling a ‘civilisation’ might go as well. Would be interesting to have a peek at how TPBT actually see this panning out.
There is a limit to how often people can talk directly about these issues.
We are now in the midst of collapse. The economy, as a self-organizing structure behaves bizarrely when we are in the midst of collapse. In fact, in this post I talked about how the new media could give a view completely opposite of what is happening with respect to energy sources.
It turns out that pandemics are a “standard” feature of collapses, such as the one we are involved with. Our self-organizing system behaves strangely. The short term impacts of vaccines, on an individual basis, can be net favorable, for certain segments of the population. But they can have huge problems otherwise.
A person feels as if they are living in a Kafka novel, with the strange world we are part of. There are two distinct opinions on everything. One is the favorable view, outlined in Mainstream Media; the other is the many problems that are being hidden, by those seeking to profit from the vaccines and changes to the culture to try to get along with less energy.
Unfortunately, these issues actually are relevant.
“A person feels as if they are living in a Kafka novel,”
In general it is very hard for americans to understand Kafka’s novels. in “The Trial” we have the protagonist tortured by an incomprehensible bureaucracy then killed by an “official” executioner in a deserted building site. No drama, no great crowds – and worst of all the protagonist goes there by himself and starts having doubts only at the very last moment.
So thank you Gail – the description fits very well and it helps me understand what’s happening in Europe.
Here Gail add this to Our Iddeeit FE Traveling Corvus Circus Show!
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Fox News
Navy sailors who refuse COVID-19 vaccine will be discharged, face other administrative actions
Emma Colton
Tue, November 16, 2021, 11:42 AM
U.S. Navy sailors who refuse to comply with the coronavirus vaccine mandate will be discharged and could face other administrative actions.
“In order to ensure a fully vaccinated force, U.S. Navy policy is to process for separation all Navy service members who refuse the lawful order to receive the COVID-19 vaccination and do not have an approved exemption,” the NAVADMIN said in a statement Monday.
The COVID Consolidated Disposition Authority, led by Chief of Naval Personnel Vice Adm. John Nowell Jr. and Chief of Naval Reserve Vice Adm. John Mustin, will also separate sailors who fail to get the vaccine. Sailors who don’t comply and are only separated for refusing the vaccine could receive as low as a general discharge under honorable conditions, Navy Times reported.
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You best get the JAB or you be in big trouble
Will future employers care whether you receive a low general discharge? Perhaps in parts of the world with some sort of vaccination passport requirements, but then it will be with respect to vaccination status.
Here’s what I don’t get. It’s known how non-lethal the virus is for healthy individuals without underlying conditions. It’s also known that the virus is endemic – there is no eradicating it at this point. Yet, if the 1918 pandemic serves as any guide, this virus may fade away as that one did. The truth on that is we don’t know. And yet, despite this and other unknowns, the US military is threatening to throw away perfectly healthy, skilled, experienced soldiers over the injections. For all we know, the virus could fizzle out next year, mutating into a weaker form. Should that happen, then how would discharging thousands of soldiers make any sense in hindsight?
Clearly there is another agenda here at play, as it would be easy enough to just stall on the injection mandates for another year or two and see what happens. This isn’t the plague, for god’s sake! Mortality is ridiculously low for young, healthy, fit populations (e.g. US military personnel).
I figure we’re witnessing a purge under the guise of a pandemic and it includes an effort to weaken the US military.
A military vaxx mandate serves many purposes.
An ideological purge, elimination of the more independent-minded and religious, and conveniently reducing the size of the military establishment without declaring that as official policy.
Maybe also hoping for some kind of rebellion by ‘crazy anti-vaxx’ vets a bit later? It just needs one vet to go crazy and they can initiate massive repression.
I suppose that a mandate for government workers in general (except the post office and perhaps other parts) cuts back the number of government employees in general, somehow reducing the size of programs that can be put into place.
Kyle Warner: Pro Mountain Biker Says He Knows 6 People Affected By Vaccine Injury Who Have Committed Suicide In The Past Month
https://thecovidworld.com/kyle-warner-pro-mountain-biker-says-he-knows-6-people-affected-by-vaccine-injury-who-have-committed-suicide-in-the-past-month/
There was an interview with a British Funeral Director who said he was seeing a rash of that but no one took him seriously.
Peter Lee: 36-Year-Old Who Got Vaccinated To Keep His Job Suffers Stroke 2 Days After Receiving Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine
https://thecovidworld.com/peter-lee-36-year-old-who-got-vaccinated-to-keep-his-job-suffers-stroke-2-days-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/
Dan Petrovic: Australia’s Best-Known Name In The Field Of Search Engine Optimization (SEO) Develops Pericarditis After Pfizer Vaccine
https://thecovidworld.com/dan-petrovic-australias-best-known-name-in-the-field-of-search-engine-optimization-seo-develops-pericarditis-after-pfizer-vaccine/
In reference to Dan Petrovic:
“After weeks of appointments and $3000 in medical costs, he has now largely recovered with only a “little bit of pain” once a week.”
“He is now wrestling with whether to vaccinate his daughter, who has asthma. He first wants to know if she may be genetically predisposed to suffering the same reaction.”
MOREON.
He shouldn’t hesitate vaccinating his daughter. The vaccines are totally safe. He should get his one many booster shots. I think his stroke was totally unrelated to the vaccine.
I hope he does… and I hope he takes the Booster. And is more severely damaged
The president of the Australian Medical Association in Western Australia, Mark Duncan-Smith, commented that there is no evidence proving that the Pfizer jab is linked to strokes. He said just because someone suffers these kinds of health impacts after receiving their shot does not mean they are related.
He told West Australian:
“It’s like saying I had my Pfizer injection and within two weeks I had a car accident. Therefore, Pfizer injections cause car accidents.
There is no evidence to suggest that Pfizer is associated with strokes, or TIAs.
Just because something is on social media or the internet does not mean it’s factual. And the TGA is not involved in a conspiracy and, quite simply, Pfizer is not associated with strokes or TIAs.
These events are often coincidental, rather than being caused by the vaccine, therefore any attempts to link the two based on a temporal association alone is misleading.”
Um… it’s not actually quite like that …. unless of course she collapsed like those athletes while driving and went head on with a bridge…
So we can call car accidents Covid, but we can’t call Pfizer car accidents. Go figure.
Car vaxidents?
One of my friends just crashed her car into a utility pole. She says she was driving west at 3pm with the setting sun in her eyes on a narrow winding country road she’d never driven on before.
She saw another car and pulled over to let it pass. Then, when she started up again, she literally couldn’t see the utility pole by the side of the road and did a kamikazi attack on it.
“Fortunate that it was there, as it stopped the car from heading down an embankment.”
“… and did a kamikazi attack on it.”
Japanese pilot style? Goodness gracious!
G’day mates!
Three times is enemy action!
Eleni Roussos: 3rd Australian Journalist Hospitalized With Pericarditis After Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine
Eleni’s pericarditis diagnosis makes her the third Australian journalist to develop the heart condition shortly after Pfizer vaccination. Daily Telegraph journalist Georgia Clark and Channel 7 News reporter Denham Hitchcock were also both hospitalized with pericarditis shortly after their inoculation with the Pfizer vaccine.
https://thecovidworld.com/eleni-roussos-3rd-australian-journalist-hospitalized-with-pericarditis-after-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/
Not smiling now is she hahahahahahaha dummmmmbb MOREON
https://thecovidworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/xPfizer.jpg.pagespeed.ic.U8_YWWv4WM.webp
https://cdn.iview.abc.net.au/thumbs/i/nn/NN1703D155S00_594b40b3868bd_940.jpg
This is not what it seems… what it is is a press release disguised as a leak… from the government to let anti-covid vaxxers know that they are being watched….
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-whistleblower-reveals-biden-doj-activated-counterterrorism-division-against
BTW – CTG… virtual reality … remember the guy who travelled to all those muslim countries and posted photos with his muslim hosts on FB… then came back to NZ and shot 50 something muslims in the head?
One has to wonder… if that was part of the simulation … i.e. he had no choice in the matter… he’s just part of the game… he’s in jail now probably wondering WTF happened… kinda like he had a nightmare but it turned out to be ‘real’…
The thing with MOREONS.. is they don’t like to be told they are stoooopid.
And they get even more ornery if you prove that they are stoooopid.
It’s a bit of a paradox
you’re stoopid, Eddy
it’s not that
he just likes multi o’s
The water has gone out and you can see who are the ones who cannot think out of the box and starts to say people stoopid
True greatness is being able to call people stuuuuppppid … using a wide range of tactics and phrases… DelusiSTANIS for instance… that was first… turning MOREONS… sub zero IQs… etc….
a wide range of tactics and phrases—I like the sound of that.
at least we have something to look forward to for the 2022 conspirathon season
speaking of simulations:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59212355
Hamtramck – near Detroit
30 LANGUAGES
28,000 PEOPLE
2 SQUARE MILES
Any port in a storm?
It is Disney BS. I am willing to bet their is an impressive rate of hate crime in Hamtramck.
Haven’t been there in years. Used to hang at one early-bird bar after midnight shifts at the Ford Rouge. There’s a couple of non-fluff documentaries on YT by foreign crews who seem enamored about this transition. Is what it is. Like Mirror said: Will to Power, over and over again. Those numbers did surprise me though.
Miss the old Polish weddings big time. Those people know how to have good time with great food.
No NHL team – I’m heading there next week to show ’em how to play Bocci ball.
Too bad we are not in the same place, because I would take the bet and clean you out. Given the current situation (a certain segment of the population committing a disproportionate fraction of crime, and a culture leading to crumbling of the social structure), Muslims and Whites do have cordial relations in the Detroit area (not sure why Hamtramck is featured, since Dearborn is so much bigger), intermarry to some extent, and are de facto allies…
Heath Freeman, best known for playing murderer Howard Epps on the Fox series “Bones,” has died. He was 41.
The actor’s manager Joe Montifiore confirmed his client’s passing Monday. The official cause of death has not been released.
“We are truly devastated at the loss of our beloved Heath Freeman. A brilliant human being with an intense and soulful spirit, he leaves us with an indelible imprint in our hearts,” Montifiore said in a statement obtained by People. “His life was filled with deep loyalty, affection, and generosity toward his family and friends, and an extraordinary zest for life.”
https://nypost.com/2021/11/16/bones-and-ncis-actor-heath-freeman-dead-at-41/
No cause of death = Pfizer
And the MOREONS continue to munch the grass…
but was it sudden?
It was extremely rare.
The first time this has ever happened to Heath Freeman, apparently.
lol
I’m confident that the Austrian government will change their mind … IF they add tambourines to the clapping
https://twitter.com/i/status/1460302401647357952
This is what the French did during their revolution … hand clapping and tambourines…
Beethoven’s Fidelio – Prisoners’ Chorus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReSwAZ8jNyQ
Ode to Joy Zoom Choral with Orchestra
I’d be inclined to hit the streets with this blasting our of a Hilux mounted mega stereo system
https://youtu.be/-3kIDNQndsg
https://www.graspop.be/en/line-up/schedule/thursday/
You gonna tell ’em, or you want me to send a memo?
Vaccinated people are up to 9X more likely to be hospitalized than unvaccinated people
https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=346
You should have added that this is a claim. Clearly, from country data, for example, New Zealand data, hospitalisation is much more likely for unvaccinated people.
Sorry, the claim is about all hospitalisations, so my comment doesn’t necessarily apply. There’s no data in the article that can be checked or analysed (e.g. numbers in age categories, what the illnesses are). So nothing to see here though I’m sure there will be some more detailed research on this at some point.
No need to apologize mike… Fast Eddy didn’t read that the first time…
Check it out … the more NZ injects the MORE the infections rise!!!
https://www.google.com/search?q=new+zealand+covid&sxsrf=AOaemvIyadvBsc52_zJWTamqFbzlxhAR_g%3A1637112126618&ei=PlmUYb_9JM-e4-EPmZu4yA4&oq=new+zealand+covid&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAM6BwgjELADECdKBAhBGABQ2QRY2QRgowpoAXACeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQCgAQHIAQTAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwi_lI72nZ70AhVPzzgGHZkNDukQ4dUDCA4&uact=5
Just like Iceland!
PERTH, AUSTRALIA – A Western Australian policewoman who suffered from a stroke after her Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination, is getting attacked by “medical experts” who are disputing her claims and saying there are no known links between the Pfizer jab and recipients suffering strokes.
Chantal Uren, 37, received her first Pfizer shot in August and was hospitalized a few weeks later for a transient ischaemic attack – often referred to as a ‘mini stroke’. Weeks on from the incident, Uren has been sharing regular updates to her Facebook followers and posting photos from the hospital while telling others not to get the COVID-19 vaccine.
https://thecovidworld.com/chantal-uren-police-officer-shares-horrific-story-about-pfizer-vaccine-reaction-medical-experts-call-it-misinformation/
On October 17th, Uren wrote in a lengthy post that she wasn’t planning on getting jabbed until her employer made it mandatory.
“The morning of my appointment, I was really scared about getting the vaccine as I knew it wasn’t right for me.
Sadly, I joked with the doctor saying ‘I’ll be the one the vaccine kills.’ Sadly, it could have.”
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1249618365537560&set=a.189983288167745
No hahahaha for this one…. full empathy for this poor woman.
She’s a misinformer!
Not until people like her have actually died and been autopsied can mere correlation possibly be proved to have been causation!
She should remember, it could have been much worse without the vax!
Lots of love
St Fauci
It amazes me that you can read norm’s mind.
More people died in the key clinical trial for Pfizer’s Covid vaccine than the company publicly reported
Pfizer told the world 15 people who received the vaccine in its trial had died as of mid-March. Turns out the real number then was 21, compared to only 17 deaths in people who hadn’t been vaccinated.
https://www.headsupster.com/forumthread?shortId=345
It is amazing how many more cardiac deaths there are in the Pfizer group compared to the control group.
The Pfizer group seems to list
Cardiac arrest 4
Cardiac failure congestive 1
Cardiorespiratory arrest 1
Hypertensive heart disease 1
Total 7
There were a total of 2 deaths in these categories for the control group.
The image doesn’t seem to show all causes of death but from what I can see, the Pfizer group had 1 COVID death and the Placebo Group had 2 COVID deaths. This is not a whole lot of benefit.
There seem to be more deaths due to heart problems in the Pfizer group than the deaths from COVID prevented, if I am reading this correctly.
Not a whole lot of benefit? A 50% cut in deaths.
Singapore record infections record deaths… World’s Most Vaccinated Country.
Please get more boosters mike… maybe you can request they double up on your dose?
Ha ha ha.. a 50% cut in “Covid” deaths (they/you) say that is the story
How DISRESPECTfUL of Gail’s comment – can you not read? – no you can do that rather it is INTENTIONAL reinforcement of propaganda attempting to push conformance to the LIES & FRAUD rather than critical thinking
You want us to only hear a limited part of the story…as Gail and Paul Harvey would say — and for the rest of the FULL STORY…
BigPharma, FDA & Mike with all their all powerful superior expertise want to brush off part of the story, fraudulently hide negative results and then when discovered have us ignore that Total & Non-Covid deaths in the vaxxed groups were greater than in the control group
So yeah you may have saved one out of two people from “Covid” Death…Only had to INCREASE Totals Deaths with other effects
(Gails comment => (7-2)/2*100%= 150% increase in heart related deaths in vaxxed versus control)
SO WHAT WAS OVERALL NET RESULT ALL EFFECTS??
To save 1 covid death you had to kill 4 extra people (21 deaths Vaxxed group versus 17 deaths Control/Unvaxxed group)
Vax => (21-17)/17*100% = 23% NET increase in Total Deaths
These data show Vax to be a Short Term Killer not a savior.
NO STUDY OF LONG TERM RESULTS because they disbanded the control group..How many more increases deaths are YOU trying to hide???
On the positive side – reviewing CDC & England/Wales Mortality data for 2020 – Covid only increased excess deaths back to the level of 2003. In other words, Mortality rates in this “pandemic” are less than what was normal functioning society for most all of previous history (there might have been for short period in 60’s when we were breeding like crazy when denominator was relatively larger (younger demographic)
Recent 2021 published study from MIT attempting to update & compare World3 BAU model to real world data found that actual birth rate were higher and death rates lower than originally expected leading to slightly higher population than predicted – my guess a little extra death via 14% increase in YOY mortality rate of this whole pandemic probably insufficient to realign to population predictions. Many more deaths required to change the dynamics shown in BAU model.
Eureka!!! I knew that I had read that mike said:
Not a whole lot of benefit? A 50% cut in deaths.
Let me assist you mike… with help from my expert consultant GVB… the injections (we cannot call them vaccines because vaccines prevent you from getting a disease)… do no eliminate the virus…
What they do is punch the virus in the face… kinda like norm punching FE in the face… FE is initially stunned not so much by the force of the punch (how hard can a 90 year old man punch afterall…) more by the surprise that a 90 year old man would dare to do this….
For a moment FE does not react … HE ponders what to do … he weighs his options… is it acceptable to punch norm back? What if HE kills norm … is it self defence? Will the judge put FE in the jail? But if HE does not respond will this not embolden norm … and his stooges… next mike and dunc will be punching FE in the face… then what? All out war with the Geriatrics?
Fast Eddy must make a decision … and that decision is to draw a line in the sand…
Let’s watch FE’s response in slow motion
https://youtu.be/CCPWpAHsltE?t=102
FE teaches norm a lesson — if you punch FE in the face… you need to kill FE… if you do not kill FE HE will wreck you … and HE will become stronger more confident and more deadly…
Of course norm is a fool so after he recovers from that smashing … what does he do? He meets with his mates mike and dunc who tell him that he can take FE… FE was lucky that first time… go get him says dunc! f789 ya says mike you go norm!!! norm of course believes whatever they tell him and he has another go at FE (norm is in his booster phase)…
This time FE does not require much time to think … let’s take a look at what FE does to norm this time around
https://youtu.be/CCPWpAHsltE?t=158
Eventually FE says enough of this … HE says vaccine? What vaccine? HE drops the gloves… and destroys norm… putting him in the hospital… all sorts of broken bones… cracked skull etc….
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/–upYm8Jdnq0/XztNBQ2o4FI/AAAAAAAALF4/MOFnON3_z2oYQd5fLuCtPCzruvA8gr_HQCLcBGAsYHQ/s600/nate.jpg
eye rolling time again
—in the third person of course
Hey norm… when the needle goes in and the substance surges through your body … do your eyes roll back in your head?
Is it THAT good?
I read here or somewhere the people seems to be dumber. This is an observation. Yes, it is true for those who are jabbed. I find that they are so much more dumber now than before and yes, it seems that no logic can go into them anymore. There are friends who are quite logical but they all seem to act in perfect unison after the jab, like they are being reprogrammed.
I have relatives telling me that the virus was deadly and I have to take the jab. That was 4 months ago. Now that relative is saying that I should get the jab because for convenience (Malaysia has something similar to vaccine passport but very loosely enforced). I said “huh? not for health but convenience?” That person say “we cannot talk about this if you act that way”.
Anyway has this type of experience, pre and post jab?
The whole ordeal creates an in-group and an out-group. Not unlike color segregation or “the jeew question”. There is a lot of blame to go around and someone needs to get singled out. I can understand now how historic atrocities could be done in plain sight, the crowd moves to the tune of the powers that be. Questioning the narrative is not welcomed, it reeks of death.
Is it not ironic how humans act like immune cells toward those they don’t agree with. Our society is now going through a phase transition. A similar transition occurs through the process of metamorphosis when a caterpillars immune system begins to attack healthy cells. The analogy fits for a collapsing system reorganizing into a lower every state..don’t know if a resultant butterfly will emerge..a lot can go wrong. Hope to See you all on the other side._/\_
Great analogy! I may have to re-read the children’s book “Hope for the Flowers” by Trina Paulus. Thanks for sharing!
It’s now official: Tony Fauci has admitted that vaccines aren’t working and that vaccinated people of every age are getting sick and dying. His exact quote from a New York Times podcast on Nov. 12th, as reported by Yahoo News:
They are seeing a waning of immunity not only against infection but against hospitalization and to some extent death, which is starting to now involve all age groups. It isn’t just the elderly…
It’s waning to the point that you’re seeing more and more people getting breakthrough infections, and more and more of those people who are getting breakthrough infections are winding up in the hospital.
This is after months of claiming vaccines had “95% effectiveness” and that they were so safe and effective, everyone should be jabbed multiple times. Suddenly that false narrative has collapsed, along with a growing list of soccer players and young sports professionals who are literally dying on sports fields across the globe.
So what’s Fauci’s answer to all this? More booster shots, he says. As if a third injection will magically make the vaccine work when the first two injections have already been proven disastrous. For the record, the “booster” shot is just another full dose of the exact same poison that’s loaded into the first two vaccines.
“I think … that the boosting is gonna be an absolutely essential component of our response, not a bonus, not a luxury, but an absolute essential part of the program,” Fauci said during the podcast, doubling down on a failed vaccine that’s killing people.
People who took the first two shots may be brain damaged enough to keep taking “boosters” until they’re dead
Of course, anyone gullible enough to go along with a third shot after being told the first two shots no longer work will probably also go along with a fourth shot once they’re told the third shot has stopped working. At this point, no rational person should believe any claims whatsoever about vaccines actually working, and anyone who continues to believe these vaccines are offering them “protection” from a pandemic is obviously cognitively retarded or operating under a mind control spell of some kind.
A mind-control spell, put into place last February-April.
People who believe in the vaxxes still tend to repeat that early propaganda word for word, and they are (rightly) terrified of ventilators.
As each booster fails they will grab the next, so as to be ‘safe’ that little bit longer.
Like people ‘believing’ in inherently defective seat belts which failed time and again, catapulting drivers into windscreens, saying ‘it would have been so much worse without the belt…..
I was just speaking with M Fast about how NZ is going to let it rip in mid December… and how the govt says the virus will spread throughout the country … but because most are vaxxed it will burn out…
I told her that the last time I spoke to the Hotline they acknowledged that the vaccines do not stop you from getting or spreading covid… if the Hotline minion is stating that then that is coming directly from the top… they read off of a prepared list of responses…
The CDC says the same as does Boris…
Yet in the news today they said the virus will burn out because the vaxxed cannot spread it… (I think they said probably burn out…)
Obviously the intention is to promote the spread of covid to injected covidiots… as GVB states — this will result in more dangerous mutations… which obviously is the plan…
One would have to be severely mentally re tar ded (or a barnyard animal) not to see what is going on here…
ah yes
the plan
the plan
https://www.reuters.com/business/us-retail-sales-beat-expectations-october-2021-11-16/
Retail sales jumped again.
Muppets will b***h
Muppets will complain,
But they ain’t gonna stop buying.
Because they are Muppets!!!!!
Slam them to the wall.
This sounds like a repeat of the earlier article saying how much Walmart sales have risen recently.
Boris is mouthing off again today about invoking article 16 – I thought that we were done with all that nonsense? The EU has already told him, ‘No!’ Perhaps Boris has never been told that in his entire spoilt life? UK business leaders have chosen to speak out today – ‘is Boris completely insane?’
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-trade-war-uk-business-boris-johnson-301299/
> UK businesses warn Johnson’s government against trade war with EU
Business leaders are terrified of the outcome if Tory ministers push ahead with their reckless Brexit plans.
UK business leaders have warned Boris Johnson’s government against suspending the Brexit deal with the EU, saying a “devastating” trade war is looming over Britain’s economy over the next few weeks.
It comes as Brexit minister David Frost warned last week that the government could still suspend the Northern Ireland Protocol if certain demands are not met – such as scrapping the European Court of Justice from overseeing the Protocol.
But, according to experts who spoke to The Independent, the bloc is ready to take immediate retaliatory action against the UK if the government pushes ahead with its ambitions – and UK business chiefs are terrified of the outcomes.
David Henig, UK director at the European Centre for International Political Economy, said EU leaders are considering a “nuclear” option of terminating the Brexit agreement – which is equivalent to a “no-deal” scenario. He believes this would hit the economy hard, as Britain would be forced to trade under World Trade Organisation rules.
Meanwhile, the British Meat Association said trading in such a way would be “horrendous” for the industry, calling the prospect “incredibly depressing”
Oh, this is just fantabulous. DUP control over UK’s relations with EU is just about the last thing that UK needs. It is not like NI is a complete disaster of a society… why not let them trash the rest of the UK while they are at it? Unbelievable.
Well, we might yet get our entertainment this winter… Either Boris will trash the UK economy or we will get to LOL at his climbdown… again… LOLs either way..
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/government-uk-government-maros-sefcovic-dup-european-commission-b966579.html
> UK Government has not resiled from stance over NI Protocol – Donaldson
[Jeff D] said he does not detect that the UK has resiled from its position in Northern Ireland Protocol negotiations with the EU.
The DUP leader was speaking after the European Commission vice president Maros Sefcovic on Friday welcomed what he called a “change in tone” from the UK in talks over the Northern Ireland Protocol.
[Jeff D], who was due to meet Brexit Minister [Mr.] Frost in Belfast on Tuesday, said he has not detected that the UK Government has “resiled” from its stance.
“The Prime Minister said no later than last evening that it is entirely valid for the UK Government to trigger Article 16 in circumstances where agreement has not been reached in these negotiations,” he said.
“I’m taking the Government at what they were saying as being their position and I will test that further this evening with [Mr.] Frost.
“But I don’t detect that the Government is resiling from a commitment to trigger Article 16, or to take other decisive action to restore Northern Ireland’s place fully within the UK internal market, if these talks fail to reach an outcome in a short period of time.”
unearthed monumental foundations of an unfinished aqueduct bridge built by the Roman army between AD 114 and AD 117 at the city of Artashat-Artaxata. During this period, the Roman Empire was at its greatest extent, ruled by Emperor Trajan who was known for his philanthropic rule, overseeing extensive public building programs and implementing social welfare policies, which earned him his enduring reputation as the second of the Five Good Emperors.
Artaxata was intended to become the capital of a new province of Armenia, in which Prof. Achim Lichtenberger from the Institute of Classical Archaeology and Christian Archaeology at the University of Münster said: “The aqueduct remained unfinished because of Trajan’s death in AD 117 and because his successor Hadrian relinquished the province of Armenia.”
The researchers used a multidisciplinary combination of methods from the fields of archaeology, geophysics, geochemistry and archaeoinformatics to examine the monument
Very interesting that Trajan did indeed intended to keep his expanded territorial military victories.
His successor. Hadrian, pulled back for it was not manageable to rule such a vast Empire with the horse mail system and wind sail maritime technology. Actually, the Empire was divided by co-,Emperor’s , one in the West and the East, later known as the Byzantine Empire.
Another what if in History if Trajan had lived longer to fullfil his grand scheme!
,
“The possibilities that I see are
1. Pfizer vaccine incrementally destroys immune system with each shot, so that Israelis are not capable of maintaining antibody levels as well as after the second shot
2. Somehow human organisms actually learn better to REJECT the vaccine and destroy the foreign generated antibodies”
nearly noooooooooo year eddy (as you are so fond of o’s, because u’s are difficult I assumed double u’s would be twice as hard to cope with)
so what conspirathon are you supporting for 2022?
I’m not sure if there is going to be a 2022.
@Mirror in the Wall
I have read a lot of literature written before 1914 and not too many written after that.
Yes, I have a romantic view of the past, and things could have been much better than our history.
The last major physicist is Frank Wilczek, who won a Nobel for work he had done in 1970s. Hence the meme about what happened in 1971.
All the brains wasted in finance, law and other ways to screw the poorer people in the western world, while Asians filled the gap.
I watched the clip of the moon landing and Houston quite a few times.Very few Asians there. That is what an Asia-free project can do. I have said a few times that Asians are like mules – very tough and good about what they are assigned at, but can’t really produce anything on their own.
And every tech company is full of these mules who will do what they are told well but can’t do anything original to save their lives. Star Wars copied Akira Kurosawa, but Kurosawa copied from John Ford.
A neofeudal world, with virtually nothing for those who don’t contribute, might be the one way to buy time and reach the stars and Singularity. But time is running out.
“A neofeudal world, with virtually nothing for those who don’t contribute, might be the one way to buy time and reach the stars and Singularity. But time is running out.”
Go to the stars and do exactly what? Continue the rapacious primate shenanigans and screw over “lesser” species and planets perhaps? I think those reckless expansionist “plans” is better served shelved unless we can evolve to evolve as a species.
You’re just deluded, mired in your own sense of superiority while being insignificantly inferior to an ant.
The only thing that will be ejected from earth is the hominids and some form of space ship with our collective memories, stories and ultimately our failure as a species. An that is if our own doing despite the best of intent from the evolutionary process.
To Kulm:
Europe already had its ‘ideological’ war in WWII and ‘liberal capitalism’ won. The only ‘purpose’ of European ‘civilisation’ is capital accumulation, profit, money. 100 M died in the ‘ideological’ war. Europe has ‘chosen’ its course and it is certain that it will pursue it. It may not be ‘sustainable’ on energetic and material grounds but those conditions are also liable to scupper any sci-fi/ technological/ space ‘ideals’ or ‘purpose’ that you seem to entertain. It is unclear exactly what Europe will ‘revert’ to after the collapse, but the entire ‘progressivist’ ‘ideal’ of a materially better future is over. The ‘space age’ is over, the ‘technological age’ is over, the ‘industrial age’ is over.
Looking at the immediate present, productivity growth, the ability of the capitalist economy to incorporate new technology to increase output, is already completely collapsed. The project of material improvement is already over. This is ‘as good as it gets’ for technological advance and for an improvement of human living conditions in developed countries. And the whole thing is about to go into reverse/ complete collapse on energetic grounds anyway. ‘Mature’ economies depend entirely now on labour expansion for GDP growth, especially as productivity growth is entirely collapsed – otherwise the profit-based economies would collapse for lack of expansion. There is no way that the capitalist states are going to let you interfere in labour expansion.
You are zero threat to the capitalist states or they would take you out. They would use ‘moral’ reasons to do that, because as Nietzsche says, the dominant instinct (here sheer capital accumulation) will never allow itself to be called by its ugly name; all of the etiquette of ‘values’ is ordered to the dominant impulse, and you would be condemned according to the etiquette – as ‘immoral’ &c. The only reason why they have those ‘values’ is because they are ordered to their material interests in capital accumulation. They held the opposite ‘values’ when it suited them, in feudal and in imperialist times. The West is all about money and whatever allows it to make more of it. The ‘values’ depend on the stage of economic development and on the dominant social relations that allow the economy to function.
The ‘mature’ capitalist states are always pursuing labour expansion to sustain the capitalist system, and there is zero chance that they are going to allow you to get in the way of that. Reality is what it is, as difficult as that may be for an ‘idealist’ to accept. Capitalist societies are simply ‘labour exchanges’ in the pursuit of capital accumulation. We are all simply workers of UK Plc or whichever ‘country’ it happens to be. Very few of the older generation seem to realise that, and they are given to ‘flag waving’ for the capitalist state as if it is anything ‘more’ than that. Some of the younger tend to imitate their elders. Humans tend to conform to whatever society they live in.
There is no way that the capitalist states will let you interfere with the flow of Asian workers or anyone else. This is today: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/senior-british-official-matthew-rycroft-visits-pakistan Anyone who thinks that the Tory Party is ‘anti-immigration’ has zero comprehension of the society, or the ‘civilisation’, that they live in.
“There is no way that the capitalist states are going to let you interfere in labor expansion.”
Well…
If it wasn’t for finite world predicaments and unemployment combined with mechanization. A precarious situation.
With other words, it’s not going to happen on earth, hence the allure of Jetsons in space!
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A question Gail:
You quote v.high per capita energy usage for Australia, but a lot of that energy is burned on mining and agriculture where the end products are exported. Exports incl. iron ore, coal, uranium, wheat and barley, meats, dairy products.
How does that affect our position?
Zombieland downunder update:
States have all got their own rules with different levels of crazy. Persecution of the unvaxxed is ongoing and I have to stay in my LGA (local government area), but that’s ~5,000 sq km with beaches and mountains, so not too bad.
My local vaxxed friends have started dropping – one had a stroke a couple of days ago. They’re all clueless why of course.
Mike Adams at Natural News had an epic rant yesterday, coloured with some of his usual gun-toting, right wing stuff, but definitely worth a listen. At the bottom of this page: https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-11-15-the-vaccinated-are-dropping-dead-in-plain-view-as-fauci-and-the-media-admit-total-vax-failure.html
Best tweet of the day by Dr Shane Huntington OAM (Order of Australia Medal):
“Sitting in the RCHMelbourne (a hospital) with my son hooked up to heart monitors post his second Pfizer shot, I have a message to all parents: Get your kids vaccinated if you can. These side effects are rare and manageable. Help protect us all.”
Mass psychosis indeed.
My local vaxxed friends have started dropping – one had a stroke a couple of days ago. They’re all clueless why of course.
Hold the Line Pure Bloods… they’ll all be dead soon.
Btw – shane is not an MD … he is involved in the PR industry https://shanehuntington.com/about also check out his client list…
He also has a contact us form… making it easy to email him and accuse him of being a MOREON. Please do
https://shanehuntington.com/contact done (sick f789… twisted monster… seat in hell waiting… murderer… etc.. )
Hmmm…. mb 0413317749
Maybe an anonymous skype call to see if he is for real….
That was a typo. It should read “Dr Shane Huntington OAM (Order of Australian MOREONs).”
Now that they are admitting in the MSM, forced by the sheer volume, that nasty things are happening to those who were at no risk from Covid, we have the new Great Lie: ‘side-effects are transitory and manageable.’
Vaccines will stop you from getting Covid and spreading it – LIE
Vaccines will stop you from dying from Covid – LIE
Vaccines are safe and side effects are rare – LIE
Vaccines have been thoroughly tested – LIE
norm dunc mike??? no comment right
i have stated that goverbnents have reacted to covid with a knee jerk reaction. Some things are wrong, some are right.
no one knows for certain what the right response is. No medical intervention is 100% safe
Where i live bodies are not littering the streets. Some days I go for a walk and hardly have to step over a corpse at all.
Everyone I know has noticed the same thing
what i have rejected, is that this is part of a grand plan–great reset–global extermination plot—etc etc on behalf of some kind of elite.
This is the nonsense of it all.—just as all eddy conspirathons are nonsense
It is self perpetuating hysteria…..but refusal to accept moonloonery—WTC wackery and all the rest of it, allows eddy to pirouette on his barstool of self righteouesness. A year ago covid ‘didn’t exist’ in eddyland–it was just flu.
Climate change doesn’t exist. Yet things are getting a bit warm, by common consent—but eddyland remains inviolate.
people don’t respond to your wackiness eddy—is because they/we find you and yours tiresome.
They just can’t be bothered.
Ya but norm… it doesnt stop you from getting covid or dying from it.
What part of that do you not get?
But it can maim or kill you.
Anything that has the word dose associated with it… is dirty. Why would you put this in your body?
listen to the denial radio prog link i posted–starts in NZ
mike norm dunc are 3 stooges — TRUE
It’s notable that they never address these issues.
The greatest lie, the foundation of it all, has been that there are no effective early treatments, that it is either the Miracle Vaxx or a ventilator.
People have no idea that they should be able, if it turns serious, to get steroids and antibiotics, ivermectin, etc, from their GP, and clear it all up in a few days, in most cases.
They have no idea about vitamins and supplements.
And they think that being denied fresh air and exercise in lock-downs is ‘protection’, when it is in fact an immune-system killer.
Very few would end up progressing to hospital if treated properly and allowed to live normally.
They are murdererseses, as Larry Fink would say.
Xabier – ‘side effects are transitory and manageable’ – and highly profitable!
norm… dunc… does this make you wary of Booster 2 (3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 etc…)
If this happened while you were at the Popup Experiment… would you still get injected?
https://twitter.com/mcm_ct/status/1459702205758459905
It looks like the person thrashing about on the floor is receiving the fundamentalist Holy Spirit. That incomprehensible noise they are making is just speaking in tongues.
Hong Kong quarantines 130 pilots, stoking supply chain fears
Hong Kong has forced 130 Cathay Pacific pilots to undergo 21 days of quarantine, raising fears the aviation hub’s “zero COVID” policy could aggravate a global supply crisis caused by the pandemic.
Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam made the announcement on Tuesday after three pilots slipped through strict COVID testing protocols and tested positive upon reentering the international financial centre.
All aviation personnel who stayed at a hotel in Frankfurt, Germany, where the three pilots spent their layover would have to undergo 21 days of mandatory quarantine, Lam said.
Authorities sent 130 cargo and passenger pilots, along with cabin crew, to a government-run quarantine facility in the semi-autonomous Chinese territory, which imports more than 90 percent of its food.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/11/16/hong-kong-quarantines-130-pilots-stoking-supply-chain-fears
If the problem is not in one part of the world, it is in another. All parts are interconnected. With just-in-time supply chains, a problem one place is a problem other places.
But at least we are rationing our nonrenewal resources that way we buy ourselves some more time